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Offline SEA

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I still have a few "Clubby Type Cows".  Clubby in their genetics, they are straighter in their structure and not much growth.  Not bad, because it if they were very straight, they are gone...I would like to breed them to produce club calves.

I have talked to other breeders and many have experienced the same results as me.

Whenever, I breed these type cows to any "club calf bull" that I have tried, I get calves that have one or more of the following traits.  Straight legged, poor coming out of their shoulders, too small framed, pop in their patterns, and will not grow and gain weight well and finish at about 1150lbs.

Question; 
Is there a taller framed, loose structured clubby bull with growth, available that I am not aware of?   
Or is their a PB bull or Crossbred bull (not really marketed as a Club Calf Bull), that will produce Club Calves when bred to the type of cows above?  And be a "changer" and corret the "faults" on these type of cows?


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I bred a mostly correct Walks Alone x Angus cow (likely THC) to Lovin the Business and have a peach colored good haired calf that is showing potential at this point.  Business Done Right would work.  Breeder suggested charolais bull Famous at executive sires as another option. He is red based so should avoid rat tails on black cows.
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We bred a couple clubby bred cows to Uno Mas, the Simmi bull and are very pleased with the results. The Simmi x Chi cross seems to work really well. They come small, are sound, look more maternal and keep the hair of their dam. Added some body depth and rib shape too.
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I have 3 clubby bred cows, 1 Unprecedented cow and 2 Man Among Boys. Last year I bred the Unprecedented cow to I-67 and she gave me a wonderful bull calf, he was a little on the small side (30 lbs) but by 3 months old he was at 350-400 lbs and has that wonderful clubby hair. With my 2 MABs I usually breed them to simmental bulls. One was a first time calver last year and one was a first time calver this year, both cows the first time were bred to an easy calver bull All Around and had the calf unassisted. This year the 3 year old was bred to 3C Macho and gave me a wonderful, deep, long bodied heifer and was bred back to Uno Mas. The Unprecedented cow was bred back to Sun Seeker. 

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Question; 
Is there a taller framed, loose structured clubby bull with growth, available that I am not aware of?

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How about a % Chianina bull?  I know most of the "old school" Chianina bulls were too shallow and had zero hair. 

How about any of the newer low % Chianina bulls?

Perhaps any of the Horsley Brothers Chianina bulls? 

Anyone have any experience breeding to any of the above bulls?

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no.

IT IS WAY PAST TIME SOMEONE BREEDS OR PROMOTES ONE.  However, I am sure it would be difficult to breed.  But perhaps, not impossible?

A Clubby Type Bull that has more frame, is TH and PHA clean, and has some performance or grow, big foot, and "loose" made (a little more sickle hocked and good pasterned).   <beer>

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the mutt look has been in since forever.


the mutt look is a terminal cross.


there really is no need to have a terminal cross create females.


not sure why people can't figure that out.


if you want something that isn't a mutt, create a class that isn't.


create a class for females that cross good with terminal mutt's


it used to be horse racing, working horse was for older horses.


then the "futurity" took over and pudds, or the opposite, frail, became the standard
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no.

IT IS WAY PAST TIME SOMEONE BREEDS OR PROMOTES ONE.  However, I am sure it would be difficult to breed.  But perhaps, not impossible?

A Clubby Type Bull that has more frame, is TH and PHA clean, and has some performance or grow, big foot, and "loose" made (a little more sickle hocked and good pasterned).   <beer>
//// There are a number of Shorthorn deals that meet those specs like MB Steermaker a 7 plus frame bull who was AND IS one of the stoutest soundest of everything  considering how he was made. Hes only been around since 1990-as far as blacks-not many other than Maines-they are the only Black sorta clubby cattle i'm not sick of looking at
« Last Edit: May 20, 2017, 08:52:45 PM by mark tenenbaum »

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Heres a NEW one: who's now a yearling  pictured: AND IN THE VIDEO BELOW at around 8 or 9 months-CE too O0

https://vimeo.com/203758138
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 04:27:46 PM by mark tenenbaum »

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Very interesting, Mark! Thanks!

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the mutt look has been in since forever.


the mutt look is a terminal cross.


there really is no need to have a terminal cross create females.


not sure why people can't figure that out.


if you want something that isn't a mutt, create a class that isn't.


create a class for females that cross good with terminal mutt's


it used to be horse racing, working horse was for older horses.


then the "futurity" took over and pudds, or the opposite, frail, became the standard
/// Look no further than some (not all)of the "native" Shorthorns O0

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Could look into some of the Simmental bulls out there.

Cut Above, Step Up, Uno Mas, Broker, High Regard-just to name a few.

I have a Monopoly X Sim cow who has a killer calf out of CCR Santa Fe. He really grew well and impressed me.
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I would breed them to a purebred Charolais, assuming they are hairy enough. I have bred several to OBG Tickle and have raised a really nice comp char/market heifer out of him and a monopoly cow. Can't go wrong with bull from the firewater line on clubby cows or I think that the new bull Honky Tonk looks intriguing. A lot of buyers seek out composite char calves and breeding purebred Char Bulls to clubby cows is the best way to keep them stout and big boned while adding function and growth.

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Interesting responses!  Use a Shorthorn, a Simmental, or a Charolais.  I will continue to research and look at bulls.  Thank you!

PS:  The bulls priced at $50+/unit for semen is, IMO too high priced to "experiment" or do a "trial" with.

PPS:  Some of these cows (mutts) are actually pretty good females.  Just are not producing the type of "clubby calf" desired due to structure issues when bred back to a terminal club calf bull.

 

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