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Was he creep-fed? GB Gary, We try to creep all our calves for 30 days prior to weaning to help them acclimate better.  We use a 12% pellet that seems to work really well and the calves don't stress nearly as bad.  Joe

Ryan, He weighed 785 about a week ago. JB

Thanks for the comments.  Ryan, these are Sept - October 2012 calves.

Here's three of our fall calves we've finished weaning.  The bull is a Hillside Leader out of a Muridale Buster daughter.  The two heifers are both Ace of Diamonds.  All three are September - early October.

 Don't disagree at all -- your definition and mine are different. Nothing wrong with that.  That's why it's always good to understand people's point of reference. It's why early on I tried to make the distinction of long spined instead of long sided. Either way -- he's a really good bull.

That's the bull.  I've never seen him but according to Ralph's website, he's 85" down his top line.  If he's that long then yes he would be long spined in any breed.  And if you use the traditional measurement for length (point of shoulder to pin bone, from several of his pics he looks like he...

 How's that possible that you like him -- his girth and length are almost the same.  And at 85" length he would have to be considered extremely long sided by anyone's definition. But I agree he is a really good looking bull -- even if he sires calves that are long bodied! <cowboy>

AJ, Up to a point I agree with you -- selecting for length of side EXCLUSIVE of other equally important traits is highly likely to produce a larger framed, later maturing animal.  I don't agree that selecting for length of side automatically means you're turning Shorthorn cattle into a terminal...

I'm wondering how much of this length vs. depth debate is due to the selection pressures of the recent past for leaner, later maturing cattle.  In thinking back 30-40 years, I can recall a number of cattle in the Angus (Emulous, Shoshone, several Ankony bulls) and Shorthorn breeds (G-9, the...

Ryan, I've got no problem with your priorities, in fact that's what makes the cattle business interesting - we can all have different opinions and appreciate how others look at them. In looking closely at your comments, I really don't think we're really that far apart.  Like you, I fully agree...

Really like your Zanzibar and Zodiac bulls-  from the photos they seem to be the really complete type, bulls with performance, stoutness and good structure. I guess I look at them differently than some, but having had to take physical measurements on hundreds of cattle for a USDA research...

The Jefferson bull looks like a good practical bull.  Not as pretty as the yearlings in the sale, but solid  performance and he looks like he's made right.  Too bad US breeders don't think there are genetics that will work in the "real world" and still produce cattle with eye appeal and...

Glad to see the 23G daughters are still producing for you.  Just wish I had a pasture field full of them now.

Great sale -- averaged $7165 on 52 lots Top lots included: Lot 1 -- $17.000 Lot 9 -- $20,000 Lot 13 -- $25,000 Lot 14 -- $15,300 Lot 15 --$10,000 Lot 21 -- $14,000 Lot 24 -- $14,000 Lot 26 -- $10,000

Go to the catalog and look at the Lot 141 bull -- that's a beef bull on any continent!

Our plans are to collect him after spring breeding season.  He's going to be used on a small number of cows this spring, mostly behind our AI program but we wanted to get some calves for early 2013. The only time that I know he was out was the RWF where he was Reserve Calf Champion (behind his...

Bulls look really good -- best of luck with the sale.

If you've got the photo of Missie 709 and/or Matador's full sister (they were listed next to each other in the catalog) could you send them to me?  The full sister looks like most of our Matador daughters -- long, feminine and very productive.  Thanks!

Good luck with the sale -- I'm sure you'll do well.  You're right about the 23G daughters -- he may very well be one of the best breeding bulls that no one ever saw.  He was one of the most consistent breeding bulls we ever used and the daughters were just great mothers.  Biggest mistake we ever...

You need to call John Sullivan -- not sure there's enough glue, graphite, twine, paint that you can use to get hair on those front legs right!!  He and his crew are the only ones that might know how to fit him properly!