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    NAME THE BULL!

    A dehorned Irish import.  Is it Improver III?
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    QH Questing's DSTNY 0Q11

    In the picture I remember he was younger with an even higher flank and longer legs - which was common and in line with the way bulls were presented in that era.
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    What would the Shorthorn breed look like today if Improver was never imported

    I just thought of another example of the shorthorn breed not chasing TH. (Not that we need anymore examples, but I think it's an interesting testament to the big breeders approach to not propagating the defect).  In the early 2000's there were 2 Shorthorn Bulls that sold for $100,000 - Reno &...
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    Webollabolla Theodore

    I recall Duke also sired a two time Denver champion, Fastrack, who in turn sired tons of popular cattle in the late 80's and 90's.
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    What would the Shorthorn breed look like today if Improver was never imported

    AJ, your provocative questions and posts are entertaining.  Even the controversial ones stimulate thought and provide opportunities to learn.  I think you're right for club calves, but your conversation started with a question about the shorthorn breed.  If Trump was TH and DSC you'd be 100%...
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    What would the Shorthorn breed look like today if Improver was never imported

    Its easy to bash old pictures and trends.  Guess you had to be there.
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    What would the Shorthorn breed look like today if Improver was never imported

    From what I've read, the Shorthorns in Ireland were primarily formed from the Booth type.  The Deerpark herd was a small milking herd (25-30 head) that goes back to the early 1900's. (They purchased the original Skarlet cow in 1919).  The type they developed to suit their needs were large...
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    What would the Shorthorn breed look like today if Improver was never imported

    There are other pictures of old Improver that show how thick and muscular he was.  I think this promo pic was used because it made him look like he had more frame and elevation.  Had to fit in with what was popular in the era.  Improver came back in style in the 90's when people wanted smaller...
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    What would the Shorthorn breed look like today if Improver was never imported

    Modern showring type shorthorns would look the same.  They are basically a mix of the following: Dual shorthorns Maine (through CD, Rose, and Nobody's Fool) Dividend (through CD, Dreamboat, Rose) Chi (through Rodeo Drive and Dreamboat) The Improver in the pedigrees, while a very small...
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    Balmoral Oaks Eagle 9X

    He looks really good.  Interesting pedigree too.
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    Happy Canada Day

    Happy Canada Day!!!  A cool country for sure!  Get up there for a visit!!!  If you can't make it north of the border I can't help but put in a plug for a great Canadian experience state side.  We vacationed last month at Disney World in Orlando Florida, and made reservations at Le Cellier which...
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    Bill Clintons job? NC

    That's funny!
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    Shorthorn Bull - Opinions

    Looks good...a lot of emeraldale and frosty acres in his pedigree.  He looks moderate, compact, and has a wide muzzle and small ears like old school shorthorns had.  He probably doesn't have a big enough ass for most people on this site.  However, I bet he can through low birth weight calves and...
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    One of our junior herd sires

    He looks bad ass!  How tall is he?  I remember when that pic came out of JIT standing next to Major Leroy and was surprised at how moderate yet massive he was (the bull, not JIT lol)
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    Deerpark Leader 16th and D.Seamus 4th

    Thanks for posting those pics Doc.  JIT was right, Stretch looks bad even as a calf.  The scale and the measuring stick must have been the only reason he stuck around.  I thought Dividend would have been larger than 52 inches at a year.  The grass in ireland must be very lush because these bulls...
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    Found some semen today

    What is so extreme about Eagle 255?
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    Deerpark Leader 16th and D.Seamus 4th

    I've never seen a pic of Leader 16 or Tournant Sir Ivor...does anyone have one they can post?  JIT, you mentioned Leader 16 looking like he was built by a committee and it makes me think of some of the Improver 2nd progeny i've seen.
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    Tyranny

    The conservative talking heads need a new poster boy
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    Food for thought... or just one man's opinion.

    Jit, was he looking to use bigger bwt shorthorn bulls as a terminal sire or to add big shorthorn x cows to his herd?  Would you alter your 110bwt cutoff if there was a market for them? I bet there's tons of cheap, large bwt bull semen from the 80's, 90's and 00's that could be dusted off.  It'd...
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