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    List of triple clean Shorthorn bulls

    https://www.progressivegenetics.ie/Blog/Post-Detail/Myostatin-Gene
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    Proof the show ring is still screwing things up.

    In the UK, shows like at the top could be a fat stock show or commercial class. In a show like this the judge could even be an abattoir representative. Don't think there would be young college grads that would be readily accepted as judges. Would be very unusual in the UK for the show circuit to...
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    List of triple clean Shorthorn bulls

    Myostatin is the enemy of IMF/marbling, and I would think it would be advantageous in a grading system to know which cattle carry the myostatin mutation. There are several different mutations, some of which produce more muscle than others. It is possible not to know a single myostatin mutation...
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    Proof the show ring is still screwing things up.

    It's actually not the show ring that is driving this shape, it is the abattoirs. All the cattle slaughtered in the UK are graded on carcass confirmation. Obviously not all beef bred cattle have as much muscle, but farmers will buy Limousin, Charolais and Blue bulls based on their muscle. A lot...
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    List of triple clean Shorthorn bulls

    Could you add Myostatin mutation to that list? A list with TH, PHA, DS and Myostatin would be even more useful.
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    University of Illinois Sire Test

    That is the main difference then by far. Your point is excellent. IMF is not considered much at all in the final quality and price of the cattle slaughtered here. It is all about carcass confirmation. That is why so many double muscled breeds are considered better as a beef breed in the UK and...
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    University of Illinois Sire Test

    And the other 2... There has to be many North American bulls that fit this criteria. Typhoon, Fire Fox and Patent Ace all have North American ancestry.
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    University of Illinois Sire Test

    I always heard of the Shorthorn as being "The great improver". Is it not possible to mainly aim for the second option, of having cattle with a good maternal base, but have some terminal traits? A quick epd search of the uk database gave me 3 bulls I have used that I feel fulfill that. I'll...
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    Would this be a starting point? https://shorthorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Sire-Test-Update-Matt-April-2018.pdf
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    I got this December 2014 quote from a Farmers Weekly article. "The US Department of Agriculture’s Meat Animal Research Center (MARC) ranks the Beef Shorthorn as one of the best performers in the world in terms of calving ease, average daily gain, marbling and carcass quality. Research at MARC...
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    Found one picture from when she was a year old. Hasn't been tested, but think she must have a myostatin gene, however I didn't think Perfect Storm, Mr Gus 80c or Diamond Captain Mark carried the myostatin deletion? She is far from perfect, but thought she was one I could work with, especially if...
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    They are very rare, although a very small number are sold at a Spring and Autumn sale in Carlisle each year. What I have seen at those wouldn't be as thick as what the best are in your pictures. Here is the champion from last spring. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zEw5MMr0dOU They are still on...
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    Have a white heifer cow bred from Perfect Storm out of a Mr Gus cow that is the widest shorthorn I've seen. What I agree with is the fertility is not as good with her as she was the last heifer to get in calf and she now has a much longer calving interval as well.
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    Using an 18 month old bull

    I was always told that the number of cows a bull could manage was equal to the number of months of age of the bull. So for an 18 month old bull that would be 18 cows. Also I find that an older bull won't walk those 10-15 miles after a cow. He'll wait until she's ready, jump once and not bother...
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    All the main breeders in the UK used Maine bulls widely when the herd book was first opened to them. It is very hard to find a 100% SH in the UK and Native are very rare. The Dakota bull is bred from an Australian bull, Broughton Park Thunder, and would have approx 9% Maine through his Upsall dam.
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    Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

    Thought I would post a bull from the UK. Bred by the Upsall herd in England and bought by Fearn Farm in Scotland. Dakota Of Upsall. http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=3E373E3D&2=232F5F&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=275C5C265921252421&9=5C5C5E5E...
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    Shorthorn influenced cattle

    As far as I am aware, this is the UK and Irelands only online sale. Definitely for shorthorns anyway. The roan cattle really stand out. https://www.pedigreesalesonline.co.uk/all-listings/ You should be able to see pictures, videos and the sale results.
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    Using CIDRs to Improve Pregnancy Rates

    I used a PRID in a heifer this week for the first time. AI'd on Tues. The semen supplier and a vet both advised to put the PRID back in. Was dubious for your reasons. I did clean it, dry it, seal it in a bag and refrigerate just it in case.
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    Using CIDRs to Improve Pregnancy Rates

    Does reinserting the CIDR or PRID 4 days after the AI and removing it 10 days later make any difference to conception rates? I have only recently heard of people doing this.
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    Changes in your breed......say the last 10-15 years

    I wouldn't agree. The first picture is of probably one of the heavier muscled shorthorns from the recent Stirling sale. The other 3 pictures show double muscled Belgian Blue, Limousin and Charolais. These animals are quite normal in the UK. Do the shorthorns you recall compare to these? I also...
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