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heard this I-80 bulls is the real deal along with mercedez benz to make heifers!

being course made is usually through the shoulder or back through the stifle.  Means they aren't smooth made and if its a heifer she could be a little bit steery.

i saw quite a few '09 lautner bulls and power trip was definately outstanding! i thought more people would of used him!

i have heard of some bad experiences of people leasing lautner bulls.  Guy who leased tiger woods said he didnt even know how to jump a cow.  Also i know they can hide quite a bit in a picture of a bull, so if it looks like he has structure issues, then its probably worse than the picture...

its unreal how much semen they will sell just from the pictures. I can see quite a few get a little straight and turn out in the front.  And dont forget the photoshop!  Few bulls interesting pedigrees, anyone else think that some of those bulls look very moderate?

definately networth

exactly, grid makers are good sized. just because a bull is born 80 lbs doesnt mean he is calving ease. The other thing is when bismarck first came out he was minus on birthweight now he is up to 1.3. schaff has him at .1 though.

they are just about right for frame sized. bigger than the who made who's, as dr who is out of a witch doctor cow

dr. who will put more rib and soundness. who made who will make them thicker and freaky fronted more so than dr. who.

appreciate the help but i am well aware of all the things you posted. im just asking for opinions on people that have had bismarck calves. 

We also have some dieter chi-angus cows and we have some bred to a mama's boy son.  I can let you know more in a month or so!  Use mama's boy on a heavy boned good fronted female.  I am interested in using the show business bull, strictly business x harietta.

the hay was probably 70:30 grass to alfalfa ratio.

yes accelerated genetics.

ya we purchased built right sexed semen for 45.  For 20 dollars more you can have a heifer, how can you pass that up?!

she was a first time heifer with plenty of exercise.  She is probaly a frame 6, and she has had no silage or grain, just a round bale of hay all the time. She is a pb angus(Bando 1961).

Bismarck is supposedly calving ease with .1 BW.  We just had a 95 lb. bull calf out of a first time heifer and pulled very hard. Not to mention she was 11 days early.  Anyone else have problems with him?

guy that does our flushing flushed an angus cow of his own to sexed dream catcher and got 0 eggs, followed up with a flush of regular dream  catcher semen and got 20. Mixed feelings about whether the semen was good?!?

i havent seen any all aboard calves but it seems like you have to have some of that TH carrier to get the big hipped steers.  I would go to highliner before all aboard. JMO

hairy bear and alias if they are sound

anyone have lots: 114, 82a&b, 86,95