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You can't make a good comparison at this point.You need to give your cows a couple years to adapt to the new range and management style and breed your Shorthorns to the bulls being used in the commercial herd to make a better comparison.Besides that you will still need to factor in the advantage...

A.J. you have a lot deeper discussions at your ''Elevator Meetings'' than we do.I'm jealous.

Mark T. hits the nail on the head,Can these show lines produce under normal conditions.We are talking multiple continuous generations of hand fed pampered embryo transfer scenarios.Until someone puts them in a real world environment and proves they can be profitable time after time what...

That's a nice pair no matter what decade.Weren't the Rowantree cattle dual?

Duncraggen,the export arena has been nothing but a frustration for me.From all kinds of incompetence to lightning to just plain bad luck.The problem is compounded by being a small operation.One of these times things might click,I am always hopeful.I also want you to know that I too have great...

For me it is eternal optimism and a good dose of Dutch stubbornness.It's not just in our head and heart.Though few, there are scenarios out there that prove the Shorthorn has the potential to make a positive impact on the commercial beef industry. Reading that old article makes me think of the...

I would call it more of a necessity for survival than idealism.

You are making me do my homework Librarian.Of the 13,9 had at least one pure dual individual at the third generation.Interesting to me is that early on they were pure dual then 1/2 to 3/4 then nothing showing on the pedigree and then blended through out the pedigree and a little higher...

This is a good conversation on breeding programs.We could write a book on this and barely scratch the surface.When I consider adding an outcross the first priority is what traits that animal will bring to the table to either reinforce or improve the traits of my herd.I prefer to not use total...

I value your comments everyone.JIT, I don't know why more established breeders don't use their own bulls as well.I would imagine marketing is a big part of it but why not build your own unique product.It sure hasn't hurt herds in Canada that follow that practice.I also agree that the proper...

Of the 13 herd bulls I have had since 1973 this guy has 11 of them in his pedigree.The two that missed out were homebreds with similar pedigrees.

Yes this guy was from Virginia,I thought your family might have migrated west.

I met Jim Kibler in 1982 at the Dixie National.The National Hereford show was down there that year and he was in charge of a string of herefords from Oklahoma I believe.I was down there with the Land of Lincoln Reds and we stalled right across from them.Over the next few days I learned that his...

Kiblercattle should be able to tell you all about Albo

Other than the corelation of the smaller lower a.d.g. steers in Hereford guys article having the highest Feed efficiency profit value and Leachman touting the smaller framed cow as the most profitable,I didn't find anything that mentioned the effect on the maternal traits I mentioned earlier. I...

I guess I was thinking one step further.Using AJ's example of a 15% range.How would the feed efficiency range from one end of the spectrum to the other effect the measures of cow efficiency like calving intervals,% body weight weaned, longevity,age of puberty etc.

If they were able to get this feed efficiency testing down to a science it would be interesting to know if there was a correlation to the efficiency of the cow herd. AJ, It is quite apparent that you are not talking about Shorthorn catalogs.I think some kind of a grading system that takes into...

I can't think of any Shorthorns,but the Business Breed has that strain that produces those fawn calves,should be about perfect. ;D

Too bad they don't give the frame scores at least I couldn't find them.In general a 900 lb 4 frame yearling  will have a better chance of survival than an 1100lb 7 frame bull.Reading the footnotes was very revealing of the priorities the commercial cattleman has compared to the typical Shorthorn...

Here is a picture of a Wolf Ridge Red Commander heifer at 12 months to give you an idea of what the females look like.There is a pretty good video of her on the Paint Valley website.