Dr. Bert Moore on "Heritage Shorthorn's Impact On World Cattle Breeds"

[oakview]

There are plenty of photos of Clark out there.  I saw him show in the dairy class at the Iowa State Fair.  He was tall.  Find a photo of his sire, Scottshill Major Clark.  He was very moderate and correct. Clark, Columbus, Spiro, Thornwood Major, and many others were all half brothers sired by Major Clark.  Clark was tall, Columbus was moderate, Spiro was a little small, and Major was kind of average to me.  I showed against Great White Hope several times.  In Denver, Hope was grand champion, my bull was second in class to him and ended up as Reserve Senior Champion.  Kahoa's Charmer 19th was third, shown by Peter Packard.  As the judge was giving his reasons, Peter leaned over to me and said, "You should have beaten him!"  Maybe so, but I was no match for the fitting and showing ability of Roger Worthington and Weaver Angus Farms who was showing him for Mrs. Miller.  I had calves out of all the notable Graham bulls.  Not one calf displayed the remotest influence of anything that was not in their pedigree.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

What about ones bred to non dual bulls O0

 

[oakview]

I see both Leader 13th and 18th in Awesome's pedigree.  He has no Irish breeding?  Are you insinuating that the pedigree was fudged on both sides of his sire's pedigree?  The actual sire was a Maine and the dam's pedigree was fabricated, too?

What about what bred to non-dual bulls?  What does that mean?

I saw Spruce Hill Image several times.  Check out his photos.  He was a tall bull.  If he had something else in him, they hid it very well.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

It depends upon who you talked to-There were alot of opinions on Enticer-I would insinuate that for starters he was no relation to instant replay-at a minimum- if you want to go by his dams pedigree thats up to you-ever see her? What I meant is  I was basically wondering how hard it was to change the other dual dairy cattle when they were bred to a maine influence or Irish etc.-The marvel ones were the ones I saw-along with Awesomes dam and granddam and daughters of Haumont-and other Hilltop breeding  breeding etc-they seemed to cross pretty well to me-as long as they were bred to something thick-and not many of the Graham type cattle were very thick according to people I spoke with. I came along around 7 to 10 years later and saw relatives of some of those 80s cattle,( Ayatollahs, Spiros, even a couple huge white hopes)they looked like they were on the way out-At that time the cattle were big but definitely working on being thicker. O0

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

Guys, we are on the 2019.....we have tools to check pedigrees veracity.
To clear some questions, just analyze the DNA for paternity ....Enticer, Great White Hope, or anyother bull....but, publish the results here!
Talk, even a parrot talks!
Surely I'm the one most curious person in this chat to know how are the fake pedigree bulls!

 

[aj]

I have heard that the Angus breed has so many different breed influences floating around......that if they dna stuff.....they would have to throw out 50% of the pedigrees out of the herd book.