We have a half-dozen choppers. I've been very pleased. Moderate framed, Really nice profiled, clean-front. Thick enough for me. Not clubby thick- but sure thick enough for breeding cattle to suit me. Birth weights have been 80-105. I probably wouldn't use him on heifers. He apparently is a red-carrier. Overall, I'm very happy. He seems to stamp them with a good profile or "look".