Need help with my heifer!

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katie_k

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i have a shorthorn heifer that was born in march.  but she barly trusts me. she walks amazing but i can touch her or brush her or anything except get the halter on.  its driving me crazy because we have been working twice a week for like 2 hours since the begining of august! i keep her at a place because i live in town.  i need help any suggestions for me? how can i get her to trust me and let me grrom her. because she is pure white and is just a mess. also she will just go crazy on me and try to butt me and bite me.  HELP!
 

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Shorthorn Girl said:
i have a shorthorn heifer that was born in march.  but she barly trusts me. she walks amazing but i can touch her or brush her or anything except get the halter on.  its driving me crazy because we have been working twice a week for like 2 hours since the begining of august! i keep her at a place because i live in town.  i need help any suggestions for me? how can i get her to trust me and let me grrom her. because she is pure white and is just a mess. also she will just go crazy on me and try to butt me and bite me.  HELP!
1. you should do searches on this kinda stuff because you are taking over this sight with topics about your animals. i havnt counted but i am sure ive seen 10 topics on the first 2 pages that youve started and its allittle excessive. 2. if you have a wild heifer get of the internet and start working with it. sory if this seems rude but thats how i see it. uve got too many topics without searching or doing any type of homework
 

zak

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I am in the same position as show stopper. Stop blowing up the board and if you want her to quite down you need to work with her more than twice a week. I know kids that wash there calves at 5 in the morning before school and also after school(they also keep there calves at someone elses farm because they live in town). Nothing comes easy you have to put time into animals, two days a week just wont cut it.


Zak
 

katie_k

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well sorry for trying to find info specific to my situation. the only reason i post a topic is because i cant find what im looking for. so if you dont like it dont read it.  also i live in town and work extreamly hard at getting out to the place they are kept as often as i can. it is like a 20 min drive and the farmer is nice enough to offer space feed and labor for market price on the animals when it sells. i was out there today for 2 1/2 hours for your info.  i work very hard making this work out for me so dont just go running your mouth til you know whats going on.
 

katie_k

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when you tell me how to delete some topics i will.  but im on here for info so thats what im going to try to get.
 

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here's a video.  there's one more that's just as good if not better. i'll see if i can find it.

http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/index.php?topic=21783.msg219527#msg219527

click on the search link above and search for calf breaking, halter, all kinds of other similar words.

now, from an animal trainer perspective, notice that as the calf looked at him, he backed up and released pressure.

everything will be a variation of that, NOT FOOD.

if your animal is not this relaxed, get it this relaxed before proceeding to the next step. skipping steps without relaxation will show up later.

i've done it this way with horses, cattle, chickens, cats, dogs.

humans for some reason like this technique as well, except they do it at a higher intensity without even knowing it.
 

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Shorthorn Girl said:
i was out there today for 2 1/2 hours for your info.  i work very hard making this work out for me so dont just go running your mouth til you know whats going on.
I don't think I would go there if I was you with the talk about how much time you spend at your barn. Were just saying that it's useless to make another topic AGAIN when there's topics and things you can google or search.... The
Shorthorn Girl said:
i was out there today for 2 1/2 hours for your info.
Doesn't make alot of sence here because if you were wanting to state an argument it would be obvious that 2 1/2hours ain't enough time.
So it's nothing that u need to preach to us about
 

katie_k

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Show stopper 95 said:
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Shorthorn Girl said:
i was out there today for 2 1/2 hours for your info.  i work very hard making this work out for me so dont just go running your mouth til you know whats going on.
I don't think I would go there if I was you with the talk about how much time you spend at your barn. Were just saying that it's useless to make another topic AGAIN when there's topics and things you can google or search.... The
Shorthorn Girl said:
i was out there today for 2 1/2 hours for your info.
Doesn't make alot of sence here because if you were wanting to state an argument it would be obvious that 2 1/2hours ain't enough tmr

enough! i do the best i can with what i have, i dont drive so i cant get out there all the time i need someone to drive me.  also since when was it your business to say that i dont do enough and that i shouldnt be out there because i cant spend every minute of my free time working with my calves because i would if i could but i cant.  i do google but i want experiences and things that worked for ppl with the same problem not some know-it-all who decided to post a google article.
 

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Ok, first off y'all stop ragging on her for trying to get some info. Everyone was a beginner once. Second off, if it was my heifer this is what I would do: For about a week do not try and halter, brush, bathe, etc. Herd her into a pen or a small area similar to that, and just sit there on a bucket with her. Have her feed with you and slowly offer her some slowly getting her used to eating around you and associating you with food. I know some people try to argue about the bonding crap, but bottom line if they associate you with food your gonna be their friend forever. Let her come to you, don't rush it and don't push something until you have a solid foundation. Do that until she will come up to you, let you touch her (no halter keeping her from running from your touch), and obviously has a good relationship with you. Make the most of the time you get with her and do the best that you can with your situation.
 

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i think your best bet is to review the videos rather than getting snapshots of problems/solutions and see a beginning to end.

cattle are dangerous, more dangerous than a few comments on a website.  

the comments about searching on this site are relevant as there a LOT of good tips.

one thing to keep in mind is to not get caught up in "fixing" a problem that only manifests itself because a process wasn't followed.

there is a process, and you will be far better off to understand it rather than running into problems and taking up too much of your 2 hours.

it's probably a better thing to find a way to go once or twice a day for a period of time rather than being under pressure to get things done in your 2 hours.  try going twice a day for a couple of weeks, doing all the feeding.  of course that cuts into your time, watching them eat.  perhaps you can go after she has her regular feeding so she's somewhat full.
 

SFASUshowman

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1) Dont let a few people get you down. Part of the reason this board was created was for people to exchange ideas and ask for help. I applaud you for admitting defeat and asking for help. Many of the people who criticize, and I am not pointing fingers at anyone here just saying in general, but many that criticize would never admit that their methods didnt work. So when show time rolled around this heifer wouldnt be any better and would most likely be drugged for grooming and showing. I like your method of trying to find alternatives much better.  I personally find it disheartening that rather than offer advice people find it necessary to criticize for asking for advice. If you ask me it shows their true character, and they dont seem like people whose opinion I would care that much about anyway. They may say the same about me, and thats fine, I dont measure my value or happiness in others opinions anyway.
2) You should definately search the topic in the threads, there are LOTS of good posts here on Steerplanet already about this type of topic.  And you should read them ALL, there are many different methods, philosophies, and thought processes discussed on here and I think they all hold some value.  Remember what works for one might not work for all and you may have to combine some of the methods, or put together bits and pieces of different methods to get this to work for you. So read them ALL and ask questions about them if you dont understand.
3) I understand you are doing the best you can do, I think this teaches a valuable life lesson to some of the younger generation on here. Remember this is all to prepare you Jr Showman for the real world and you will face many times in life when you have to make the best of a less than desirable situation.  However at the same time you have to be prepared that a less than desirable situation often yields less than desirable results no matter how hard we try.  Simple fact is, you not being able to be with your heifer everyday is going to be a major obstacle, its very possible that you will get this heifer showable, but if she has a true attitude or trust issue you may not be able to completely correct it or overcome it in just 2 days a week no matter how much time you put in those 2 days.  Calves learn by repitition and that repetition genereally needs to be on a daily basis.
Good luck getting her calmed down.  One method that generally works for me on cattle taht dont want to stop kicking is to tie them, head up,  and take a long stick with a brush on the end and brush them all over while staying out of kick range.  THis may take several times for several days but eventually she should learn that you arent trying to hold harm her and stop kicking. Once she staops kicking slowly move closer to her as you do it untion you can do it without the stick. And some heifers just never really quit kicking, at that point its not a trust issue its an attitude problem.  We have a heifer right now that has absolutely no trust issue, sometimes she just gets in these moods though and she will nail you when you least expect it.  THis heifer is still very showable and we have never had a problem with her at the shows, you just have to pay extra attention to her and never let your guard down or else you may get taken out at the knee.
Godd luck with your projects and as always its exiting to see a young person take the intiative to try and learn on their own...it shows true pasion and desire that will pay off in the end.
 

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About this time last year I started working with my first steer and like you I live in town and had somebody help me out. It was only a 7 min drive one way so it wasn't to far to drive. I was out there at least 3 times/week for 3-4hrs working with the calf and doing other chores to help pay off some of the costs. As you can see from my avatar comment my hard work and patience payed off along with a whole lotta luck. I hope you get everything settled with your heifer.

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I met many great people during the time I worked with this calf who helped me from the beginning to the end.

Im not trying to be rude but i agree with most of the people who also posted on this. Please don't post every little thing you have a question or comment about. There are plenty of great search engines on the net. You can even search for past posts on this site that may answer some of your questions.
 

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I agree with other posters. Twice a week is not even close to enough time at  the barn. I spent over 4 hours a day with my calves and they learned to  trust me. Part  of the reason they trusted me is that i was the one to  feed them. They depend on u  for food, and if u are the provider, they will learn to  trust you. If you can't halter them everyday, try leaving the halter on until they calm down enough to take it off. DO NOT LEAVE IT ON FOR MORE THAN TWO WEEKS. It will start to dig into the skin on their nose. Showing cattle is a full time job if you do it right, its a way of life and while your on here trying to learn, u should be out there working. Guarnteed, you will learn more out there than you will on here.
 

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I go to the same farm, I know how bad that heifer is.  She randomly acts out, she walks beautifully, sets up well and wont let you come near her at all.  You have been working really hard for her trust and she hasn't figured out yet, i applaud for you sticking up for yourself ;D GOOD JOB ;D
 

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I would take Knabe's advice review the videos and start over with her. You will need to find a way to spend more time with her, 2 times a week will not do it, you will try a cram to much at her at once this way. You would be better off if you could spend an hour a day than 3 hours 3 times a week.

As far as your post, search for the answer to your question, if you don't find it post it. Do not stop posting for fear of being chastised, just do a little research first. Even if you find your answers you may still have questions, go ahead and ask.

As for some of the others who are annoyed by her post don't open them.
 

zak

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In the 1st two pages you have ten posts. Two of your post are about washing your calf. Another two post are about building a Shute and buying a blower. Try maybe combining some of ur posts. Another post is about taking a look at ur calves. You also have a post about not being able to find any shows when there is multiple websites that have lists of shows all over the country on it. It's really getting annoying seeing all your stupid post. I would say most active members on here start one new post every week not 10 in two days. You need to stop its getting out of control. And to be honest i dont think anyone cares if you found your clippers!!!
 
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