what is the top shorthorn bull?

[Belties R Us]

were not really sure...

 

[Bradenh]

Sullivan ranches king James is pretty dang good

 

[CAMyers]

I like American Outlaw.  He is a really good looking bull.  The website I went to so I could look at bulls is steppingstonegenetics.com  that is a really good place. and they have a lot of good bulls.

 

[Ric]

I think there are a bunch of really good shorthorn bulls I would have to say my favorite is Sonny.

 

[kfacres]

It all depends on what kind of shorthorns you like and what to make....

big cattle- trump
small cattle- jpj
clubby cattle- d stuff, d vision
mommas- rodeo drive
stout cattle- sonny

and it can go on and on


need to be more specific!!!!

 

[Belties R Us]

we are looking to get a foundation herd started free from defects mostly.

 

[kfacres]

foundation for what kind of cow???  Seedstock, show, club calf, commercial, etc, etc...  It makes a HUGE impact on what kind of bull, and/ or genetics you are going to want..  I suggest moving this thread to the BIG SHOW!!!!

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

American Outlaw has to be one of the biggest flops for shorties in a long time.

 

[OKshorthorn]

According to the voting done a month or so ago...WHR Sonny 8114 is the top shortie.

 

[chiangus]

here is my choice and I am not a shorty guy

 

[shortyjock89]

I think the future is going to be Ace of Diamonds on Double Stuff and Trump genetics...he works well on Aussie stuff too.  Ivy League on the AoD as well as the D.Stuff and you might really be ahead of the game.

 

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I agree with KF acres.  You need to decide what direction you want to go and your goals are should be thought out carefully.

I think that there are maybe 3 catagories of shorthorns,  1. show steers, 2. show heifers, 3 performance cattle.

1 show steers:  As in all categories some of these cattle are not free of genetic defects, but there are some out there.  Notable genetics include double stuff, kaba bloodlines and a few others.  Today you might include some sonny breeding that has been crossed with double stuff lines or kaba lines.  Proud Jazz, maybe.  He has yet to prove anything other than light birth weights and easy keepers. I have nothing against JPJ.  He just has yet to prove himself in the show ring.  We might see some results this year.  There are some others but proven bloodlines in the show ring and high sellers include Double Stuff lines, KaBa lines and Sonny lines.  don't forget color and hair is always important. 

2.  Show heifers.  You can include all the info above for the heifers too.  They do cross over.  You can also add some lines that can't cross over to the club calf or show steer side.  Trump lines are the most noted heifer bloodlines that were successful in the show ring and bank.  don't forget color and hair is always important to most buyers.

3.  Performance.    Just play the numbers here.  heavy weaning weights and go to the market.  Most of these cattle just don't have enough style or look to be very successful in the junior show ring.  Red solid colored cattle is important here.  Roans will take a price cut at market. Some might disagree with me about their competitiveness, but I will stand on my ideas.

Here are some questions for your self to answer.

What is important to you.  Showing or market
What is your most important goal.  winners in the show ring, money in the bank, bragging about epd's
Is birthweight important to you.  Maybe I should ask, do you have time to manage calving in cows.
Is color important to you.  Depends what direction you choose.
PH and TH sounds important to you.  This is the easy question to answer.  Just know what each animal test and match accordingly.  Make sure you fully understand matching genetics.
Is pure breds important to you.  Looks like there could be several directions to go in the shorthorn breed.
After you choose what direction to go, then call someone that has been successfull in that area and aske them lots of questions.

I am sure a lot more can be added, but this should get you started.

I accidently sent this to KF in an email.  Sorry KF

 

[shortdawg]

Proud Jazz, maybe.  He has yet to prove anything other than light birth weights and easy keepers. I have nothing against JPJ.  He just has yet to prove himself in the show ring.  We might see some results this year. 

Maybe not on a wide scale yet but he has to us as far as the show steer deal goes. My avatar pic is a JPJ

 

[TMJ Show Cattle]

Jake's Proud Jazz has proven himself more in the "ring" than some think. I know of two black steers that won big jackpots last year that were Jake's out of Black cows. He is continually proving himself in the commercial bull market. look at the Jungel's bulls in Denver. Several of his calves are at the Bull studs and his daughters are making good clubby momma's.He will never serve the purpose of Trump, Sonny, Rodeo Drive etc. but he isn't suppose to. However if you want some good milking clubby shorthorns to produce good saleable cattle,especially when blended with Ace of Diamonds, Eskimo Joe, Sonny, Trump,and a host of other good cow families from oh let's see Double Stuff,especially Double Vision,he works more than adequate for raising solid steers. I have seen calves out of him from the Margies, Cumberlands,the Mona lLisa's, and they were way better than average.......... I definitely agree that Ace of Diamonds will make a huge impact for Shorthorns in the near future,and not only in the showring.His mother came from the Zelda family from Jack and Jeff Bedwell and Robert Raisback will tell you it was one of the best purchases of females he ever made.

 

[OH Breeder]

American Outlaw has to be one of the biggest flops for shorties in a long time.

King James didn't do much either.


Females
Sonny
Gizmo
Steermaker


Steers
Double Stuff
Double Vision
Occassionally- Sin City on right cow
Vegas on Angus cows makes for cool roans. But he is a carrier.

Performance- The Jordans raise the most performance oriented based shorthorns that I know of. Lakeside in Michigan also have an interesting twist on genetics. Also the Byland genetics lean toward performance as well.

 

[afhm]

we are looking to get a foundation herd started free from defects mostly.

Good luck

 

[BAILEYFARMS]

I think there are a bunch of really good shorthorn bulls I would have to say my favorite is Sonny.

at 3 to 6 hundred a unit if u can find it.

 

[Millbrookshortys]

I think you have to give credit were credit is do. Bulls like Pado Studs and Double Stuff/ Double Vision really put the shorthorns into the club calf industry.Cf Trump really revolutionized the breed not only did he leave behind some awesome show stock that are still in high demand today. But his biggest accomplishment probably isn't the fact that his offspring dominated the show ring, but its the fact that his sons and daughters are siring show stopping calves as well. Bulls like Cf Solution is as popular as can be throwing sons like SULL GNCC Salute, SULL GNCC Pure Salution and SULL Prime Time who has ripped up the tan bark this year winning NAILE and NWSS. Solution has also sired a tremendous set of show heifers to that are now in production. For example sullivans high lighted there 09 sale with offspring from Sull Dede's Sable whos a Solution x Milestone Sable 01. Cf Trump also sired a bull named WHR Sunny 8114  that im sure everybody is aware of and what he has done for the shorthorn breed. HS Rodeo Drive has thrown some awesome cows, Shadybrook Farms have a donor named Lindora 9h who was the two time canadian national champion female who also produced Shadybrook Centurion 18L who was resevre grand bull in Louisville in 2001 and later went on to sell for 100 grand the next year. There's also a new generation of out cross sires like TM Dazzler one of the main herdsires at Sullivan Farms and the Canadian bull DF Pure Gold whos offspring have dominated the showring in canada. Whr Shorthorns also had a group of calves sired by Pure Gold in there sale one of which sold to Sullivan Farms and is currently one of there JR. herdsires.

However if i would had to pick one bull i would have to pick CF Trump for all the work he did in the shorthorn breed

 

[knabe]

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