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The Big Show / Re: 28 Year Old Hereford Cow
« on: January 23, 2017, 10:20:11 AM »

Seen this today and remembered about this thread.

The Big Show / Re: A good read on birth weights
« on: December 05, 2016, 11:46:41 AM »
I don't think anyone in the article or in the thread is advocating 100lb calves, and I agree with you that wouldn't be the best approach.

Although if a cow is able to easily calve a 90lb calf, would it be right to target a 65lb or 70lb calf from her, which could reduce the offsprings ability in turn to calf easily?
Likewise if a heifer has the size and pelvic are to easily calve a 75lb calf would it be sensible to use a bull that will produce a 50lb or 55lb calf?
Surely there is an area of optimal size, where calf survivablity from being born alive unaided to weanling, is at its highest percentage?
Yes, if a heifer is small with a smaller pelvic area, then those bulls are most definitely needed, although if those lower birthweight calves have a smaller frame and smaller pelvic area, I would think that they shouldn't be retained to compile the problem?

The Big Show / Re: 28 Year Old Hereford Cow
« on: October 07, 2016, 04:05:45 PM »
It's great reading stories like that. I remembered reading this earlier in the year.


The Big Show / Re: Kodiak 3rd
« on: September 19, 2016, 02:28:19 PM »
I would say it is a bit of a jump to say Deerpark's neighbouring herd were Galloway. I know some people say Clare Man, Improvers Sire, may have had some influence, but Galloway cattle would have been more popular in the Ulster region because of the South West Scottish influence and less so the further south you went and Limerick is far south in Irish terms. Ballymena would have been the main sale for Galloway in Ireland. Plus the old Black Thorn hedges in Ireland weren't that easy to walk through 😊
I think the genetic mutations such as polled, myostatin, TH etc could have all appeared in different lines due to breeding pressures and its wrong to assume a single line or breed for introducing them. As a follow up to that they could still appear in lines that currently do not have that "trait". I have seen it first hand with a polled mutation and although that mutation is more common, the others cant be ruled out. Putting it all down to peoples mistakes with other breeds may be a little harsh on some breeders reputations.

The Big Show / Re: Points for Persuasive Essay- Why to Eat Beef
« on: September 01, 2016, 11:38:39 AM »
This may help a little?

Latest press release from Morrisons in the UK.

"After six years of working in partnership with the Beef Shorthorn Society, Morrisons is excited to announce the launch of a Shorthorn Beef brand under their Best range in selected Morrisons stores by September.

The product launch will exclusively make Morrisons the only UK supermarket to retail Shorthorn Beef and highlights its long standing commitment to the breed. Tom Richardson, Category Director for Fresh Meat, Morrisons said: We are proud to be launching our new Shorthorn Beef range which we believe delivers unequalled eating quality, the Shorthorn beef is carefully managed from field to fork and processed in our own meat facilities meaning that we assess quality at every stage.

The Beef Shorthorn sired cattle are finished for the last 90 days on a specific balanced diet. Once processed, the choice steak cuts are gently dry aged, which complements the breeds inherent eating quality and produces a steak with great favour and tenderness.

Joe Mannion, Head of Livestock Procurement expressed that: As we grow the Beef Shorthorn scheme we are actively seeking new farmers to join our producer group, to register to become part of the group please visit our website: www.morrisons-farming.com.

Beef Shorthorn Society chief executive, Frank Milnes commented: We are thrilled to witness what is a landmark - the launch of the Shorthorn Beef brand, which will help to connect farming with consumers. We look forward to continuing the journey working with Morrisons to help increase the supply of Shorthorn cattle and make available this very high quality product. "

Morrisons have went a step further more recently.

"The Morrisons Traditional Beef Scheme will now pay a 30ppkg premium for its cornerstone breed, the Beef Shorthorn an increase from 20ppkg.

The increased premium, which was announced at the Great Yorkshire Show, will further help to boost numbers of Beef Shorthorn cattle.

Latest figures from the British Cattle Movement Service (BCMS) have shown an 18% rise in registrations of Beef Shorthorn calves growth which Morrisons Agriculture Manager Andrew Loftus says is supported by the scheme.

He said: The Beef Shorthorn is now Britains fastest growing native breed and accounts for between 30% and 50% of our traditional breeds range.

Offering a payment premium for the Beef Shorthorn has undoubtedly encouraged farmers to invest in this breed and reflects Morrisons longstanding commitment to the Beef Shorthorn breed.

Morrisons Traditional Beef Scheme has grown significantly since it was launched in September 2011. Traditional cattle are killed at all three Woodheads abattoirs and native breeds account for about 10% of the total cattle kill (about 360 cattle each week).

The scheme is open to all native bred beef cattle, offering a 10ppkg premium for all native bred cattle and 30ppkg for Beef Shorthorns.

Shorthorns currently average a carcass weight of 334kg at 22 months old, with 60% at R grades or better (steer and heifer average).

Another success story for the scheme, which has further underlined Morrisons support of the breed, is that a Beef Shorthorn bull bred on the Morrisons Farm at Dumfries House has recently entered stud with Cogent.

Rothesay Eildon ranks in the top 5% of the breed for both terminal and selfreplacing indexes.

Andrew said: Were advocating his use to our commercial beef producers to breed replacement females.

The breed is well-known for producing long-living, productive females and now the Morrisons Traditional Beef Scheme gives a profitable use for the steers. "

A couple of other links on the subject are below. The first link reports interesting details about bulls for lease. The second link reports about Morrisons hoping to eventually increase shorthorn to 100% of their native beef. The third link is to the bull mentioned in the above article.




The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn 2 yeqr old sire
« on: June 20, 2016, 12:11:02 PM »
The video shows him in a better way.

The Big Show / Re: Canada vs U.S. Shorthorn purity
« on: October 17, 2014, 11:05:14 AM »
Could the Irish shorthorns add something again now? Breeding lines from Rowanberry and Creaga herds seem to be gaining popularity in the UK. I know some have Canadian breeding and I think Rowanberry are introducing Free Spirit semen to their herd.
These pics are from the Rowanberry line.

The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn Discussion
« on: February 18, 2014, 09:25:27 AM »
Hi. New poster - from across the big sea :) I know this forum isn't really for the Europe based farmers, but I came across steer planet some time ago and dip in to read the posts every no often.

I am a small shorthorn breeder, as many are here, and find threads like this one interesting! Mainly as the cattle scene is so very different. When I first read about black Cattle I could not believe there were black Simmental, Saler, Limousine etc I had to look up pictures to believe it! I actually think they wouldn't be allowed in the pedigree books in Europe.

The cattle at our marts are all colours, with the majority being White Charolais, red limousine, red/white Simmental, Belgian Blues, red/white Hereford, Blonde d'aquitaine (orange) and Angus. We also have obviously Shorthorn, who are, I think, the fastest growing breed in the UK. Blacks at the moment tend to not sell quite as well as some farmers fear a Holstein influence in their background, though good angus bred from limousine and Charolais sell well. Charolais would be best sellers at moment. Although roan cattle sell really well across the breeds, and a roan limousine or Charolais with shorthorn influence highly desired.

A large supermarket here promote shorthorn beef and fund a herd, Rothesay Herd Morrison's Farm, and offer 20p per kg extra for native breeds, and 30p per kilo extra for shorthorn cattle.

We have had our calving problems with shorthorn, but when you compare them to the continental breeds, shorthorn (and angus) have always been the easy calving option. The continental breeds have improved their calving ease in recent years and so shorthorn have followed suit to stay ahead in this aspect, but there has also been efforts to make shorthorn more able to compete in the beef market, while still maintaining their maternal traits and still improving calving ease. The shorthorn generally in the UK would be a little bigger than in North America, but not by much, and of course there has been the Maine Anjou influence as well.

What I would also point out that the pedigree commercial market and pedigree show market here are one in the same. This would be the same for the majority of breeds. The pedigree cattle at shows and sales (one and the same) are breed recorded using breedplan. Which can be found at www.breedplan.une.edu.au/ and is really worth a look.

We've had a large Canadian and Australian influence in our breeding and bulls currently in use would be, in no particular order
Glenisla Drambuie 2nd
Dunsyre North Star
Broughton Park Thunder A053
Sprys Patents Ace G38
Ingleton C111
Fearn Wvyis
Glenisla Barbarian
Alvie Bovill
Chapleton Frontier D059
Glenisla Zetor
Captain Of Upsall
Rothesay Eildon
Meonhill Firefox
Rothesay Friar
Creaga Dice
Chapelton Typhoon
Chapleton Wildfire
Plus the all other Canadian bulls you are familiar with

The cattle in the UK are no better than the cattle I have seen on here and I am very impressed with the management of large herds in winter conditions we rarely have, yet we still house nearly all our cattle in winter.

Long post for my first but didn't know how to leave any of it out :)

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