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The Big Show / Re: Dover/Coalpit/Orion
« on: December 04, 2019, 01:50:36 PM »
Looking some pedigrees, got some XGR in front of pedigree numbers. What it's means?

What is the BISS Element 79 370Z frame size.....
Some calves born with 45 kg and her EPD for BW is around + 4....
It's right.

The Big Show / Re: Black Noses On Shorthorn Cattle by Dr. Martin Lee
« on: September 16, 2019, 08:19:32 AM »
Charles Colling did,  indeed,  use a bull that was one-half Galloway.   In the year 1791,  a neighbor of Colling had two Galloway heifers that he contracted to be bred to the bull Bollingbroke (86).   One,  a red,  polled heifer had a roan  bull calf in the year 1792.  This bull was bred to an old cow who had not had a calf in two years which resulted in a bull Grandson of Bollingbroke (280) and born in the year 1794.    Grandson of Bollingbroke (280) was used moderately.    Foljambe (263) was born in 1787 and therefore could not have been sired by any one of these Galloway cross bulls!   Furthermore,  there has never been any mention in Shorthorn history books that Foljambe (263) had any Galloway breeding.
The article on Heritage Shorthorns deals with the Native Shorthorn,  which,  by definition does not have any of the crosses which have occurred in the past 75 years of Shorthorn breeding.  Black noses appearing on some of those crossed-up modern Shorthorns are not the same as the black  noses appearing historically in the Shorthorn breed.

You is right.
I make confusion regarding the bulls name.
Sorry for my mistake.

The Big Show / Re: Old semen prices
« on: September 16, 2019, 08:17:07 AM »
I think that the Stormalong is kinda considered to be the father of the os genetic condition in the Red Angus breed.

Think that you already mentioned this. OS and double muscle too.

The Big Show / Re: Old semen prices
« on: September 16, 2019, 08:16:17 AM »
any canadian association verified females down there?

ie, did anyone buy some embryos from canada and get females on the ground?

if so, then that semen can be used to generate a male, quarrantine him and send back semen.

Yes. Some years ago some embryos and semen from canadian Maine Anjou were imported to Brazil. Manitou herd was the source.
On last two years have not news if the breeding plan follow ahead.
Months ago was asked to inspect a couple females for register, the info I got was that these females were from same embryos pack imported previously. Think that will inspect it in next months.
I plan to chat with the owner and try flush the females with Echard semen.

The Big Show / Re: Old semen prices
« on: September 15, 2019, 10:51:19 AM »
i forgot which maine stuff you had.  echard?

Yes, Echard.

The Big Show / Re: Old semen prices
« on: September 14, 2019, 08:24:52 AM »
Is any of the Shorthorn exportable to the US? O0

Don't know Mark.
Possibly not!
Sanitary protocols are very exclusionary for old semen.

The Big Show / Old semen prices
« on: September 13, 2019, 01:47:47 PM »
Hi guys.
I own some semen from old bulls. Semen produced on 60's and 70's from Shorthorn, Hereford and Aberdeen Angus bulls.
I need know how much could cost each straw him, as have some enquiries to sale some ones.
Some examples of bulls I own, RR Rito 8799 (AA), Pinnacle of Wye (AA), PBC 707 1M D3226 (AA), Elban Bardolier B655 (AA), Beckton Stormalong 751-626 (RA), RRR Burke 787 (RA), Britisher Wetmore 50 (HH), RHJ Rollo 0120-914 (PH), DH Happy Canadian 1 (PH), Crown Robert 2 (HH - UK), Free Town Vanguard (HH - UK), Lone Pine Grand Society (SH), Mandalong Super Flag (SH), Meriwong Smuggler (SH), Silverleigh Flag 4J (SH), Kinnaber Leader 9th (SH), Pleasand Dawn Seal (SH).

Hope to get some numers.
Thank you all.

The Big Show / Re: Black Noses On Shorthorn Cattle by Dr. Martin Lee
« on: September 13, 2019, 01:08:04 PM »
Black noses....OK.

White wild cattle is said to be part of the original stock that produced the improved Durham. Many literature describe it.
On middle 1700, Charles Colling used a half blood red Galloway bull that produces Foljambe...Galloway have black noses. It was described as Alloy blood.
Irish cattle have not pedigree accurate description, so, all options are open for Ayrshire, Holstein, Friesian and more.
Chianina have black noses and he is in some pedigrees.

So....black noses are on the genes....you must to decide to cut off or to keep in it.
I just cut off!

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 06:03:45 PM »
The only people who even hint that Shorthorns are unadulterated are the native breeders. However when you consider that: forms of double muscling were around in the 19th century, and that a number of the breeds exhibiting " this and that"-(Particularly Maines) are directly descended from Shorthorns ; then its not as much fun as a witch hunt-its an acknowledgement by most of the persons responding to this thread that you need to have an idea of "what you got"-And breed accordingly.- Cows 101 O0

Mark...agree and don't agreed!
Yes, the list of double muscling breeds have lots of ones with Shorthorn influence as Belgian Blue, Maines, Normando (discovered it soon). But, all these  ones also have on the other side of your genetics native local breeds from northwest Europe. So the DM gene can to be originated from mother breeds side. Just a speculation.

Guys, we are on the 2019.....we have tools to check pedigrees veracity.
To clear some questions, just analyze the DNA for paternity ....Enticer, Great White Hope, or anyother bull....but, publish the results here!
Talk, even a parrot talks!
Surely I'm the one most curious person in this chat to know how are the fake pedigree bulls!

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:36:32 PM »
Is this all going to come down to validating MarkTs  G9 theory?  O0

What theory......same one as Enticer,

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:34:50 PM »
Last year, I inspected for register purposes some calves. Three one were discarded for double muscle.
Never got it until this date in Brazil.
As technical inspector for register in brazilian herd book, I cut off summarelly the double muscled, and incentive the breeders to NEVER AGAIN use similar genetics.
A dead calf or a genetic defected calf is money lost!

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:31:25 PM »
Mutation, the historical cattle industry official excuse for adulteration.

The Big Show / Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« on: March 20, 2019, 05:55:18 PM »
Thanks Lucky.
So, if SHO show a better resuly on GeneStar using AA markers, it's superior to blackies!
Also, maybe Waukaru are really poor!.
Will analyse my ones!

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