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The Big Show / Re: Black Noses On Shorthorn Cattle by Dr. Martin Lee
« on: September 13, 2019, 01:08:04 PM »
Black noses....OK.

White wild cattle is said to be part of the original stock that produced the improved Durham. Many literature describe it.
On middle 1700, Charles Colling used a half blood red Galloway bull that produces Foljambe...Galloway have black noses. It was described as Alloy blood.
Irish cattle have not pedigree accurate description, so, all options are open for Ayrshire, Holstein, Friesian and more.
Chianina have black noses and he is in some pedigrees.

So....black noses are on the genes....you must to decide to cut off or to keep in it.
I just cut off!

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The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 06:03:45 PM »
The only people who even hint that Shorthorns are unadulterated are the native breeders. However when you consider that: forms of double muscling were around in the 19th century, and that a number of the breeds exhibiting " this and that"-(Particularly Maines) are directly descended from Shorthorns ; then its not as much fun as a witch hunt-its an acknowledgement by most of the persons responding to this thread that you need to have an idea of "what you got"-And breed accordingly.- Cows 101 O0

Mark...agree and don't agreed!
Yes, the list of double muscling breeds have lots of ones with Shorthorn influence as Belgian Blue, Maines, Normando (discovered it soon). But, all these  ones also have on the other side of your genetics native local breeds from northwest Europe. So the DM gene can to be originated from mother breeds side. Just a speculation.

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Guys, we are on the 2019.....we have tools to check pedigrees veracity.
To clear some questions, just analyze the DNA for paternity ....Enticer, Great White Hope, or anyother bull....but, publish the results here!
Talk, even a parrot talks!
Surely I'm the one most curious person in this chat to know how are the fake pedigree bulls!

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The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:36:32 PM »
Is this all going to come down to validating MarkTs  G9 theory?  O0

What theory......same one as Enticer,

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The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:34:50 PM »
Last year, I inspected for register purposes some calves. Three one were discarded for double muscle.
Never got it until this date in Brazil.
As technical inspector for register in brazilian herd book, I cut off summarelly the double muscled, and incentive the breeders to NEVER AGAIN use similar genetics.
A dead calf or a genetic defected calf is money lost!

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The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:31:25 PM »
Mutation, the historical cattle industry official excuse for adulteration.

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The Big Show / Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« on: March 20, 2019, 05:55:18 PM »
Thanks Lucky.
So, if SHO show a better resuly on GeneStar using AA markers, it's superior to blackies!
Also, maybe Waukaru are really poor!.
Will analyse my ones!
Thanks!

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The Big Show / Re: Muridale Raw Hide 6 E
« on: March 18, 2019, 10:01:51 AM »
So, for tenderness and marbling, any suggestion for molecular markers?
Igenity is a good source?
Will analise some animals and wish not expend time and money on non accurate tests.

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The Big Show / Re: double muscling
« on: February 16, 2019, 11:05:26 AM »
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DM in Shorthorn can came from Chianina and Maines.
UK Shorthorn are full of DM, they used Maine Anjou massivelly as well as some NA genetics with Maine, as Trump on ancestors.
Here, I inspected some calves for register, found 3 DM. Descarded!
Sired by a canadian bull, that show a strong muscle on back.

You've got that backwards - my understanding is that the double muscling in the Maines came from the Durham Shorthorn cattle that were used to create the Maine Anjou breed. That is also where the Belgian Blue got there double muscling. So the cattle in the UK may have gotten it from the Maines that were bred back in, but there was probably some still in their own population.

As to the Canadian bulls siring double muscling - yes there are a few known in very popular bloodlines.

Agree, it's possible. As some DM animals are appearing on Normande too. Also can be an atavic gene hidden on European population - France, Belgian and The Netherlands.

By the way, with high influx genetics in and out on Shorthorn, we can reach to a point that to ask ....How was first created, the egg or the chicken?

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The Big Show / Re: double muscling
« on: February 15, 2019, 02:15:59 PM »
DM in Shorthorn can came from Chianina and Maines.
UK Shorthorn are full of DM, they used Maine Anjou massivelly as well as some NA genetics with Maine, as Trump on ancestors.
Here, I inspected some calves for register, found 3 DM. Descarded!
Sired by a canadian bull, that show a strong muscle on back.

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The Big Show / Re: University of Illinois Sire Test
« on: February 15, 2019, 02:02:51 PM »

In my world, a more tender product equals happier customers which lead to more customers.
In order to find a niche, your product has to stand out.
Tenderness is above all else critical to a good eating experience
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PERFECT!
PERFECT!

Shorthorn must to got to origin.
A maternal breed with great meat quality.
A breed that can insert docility and milking hability, being an usefull breed for F1 producers. But, also with a potential - not extreme potential - for weight gain and carcass shape.....but, the point is TENDERNESS.

Here were I live we love a meat wit a good fat cover and now, marbling is the word. I think that marbling is being so much superestimated, the point is tenderness.

Marbled meat is great for barbecue, for some special kind of kitchen, but the daily meat must to be TENDER!

So, I ask you all....what is your choice, a marbled non tender meat, or a tender no so marbled one?

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The Big Show / Re: Bulls Heads
« on: February 07, 2019, 09:33:27 AM »
I did not ever use Enticer, as I did not like the way his offspring sloped off from hooks to pins. I was told by very good authority ( by a man who was involved in raising Enticer) that his dam was the Reserve National Champion Maine female in the US a few years before. This was a trait pretty common in Maine cattle in that era, so I am tending to agree with what he told me. Unfortunately, this type of thing happened in many breeds in that day, as it was before DNA testing. The only tool available to verify purity was blood typing, and it was far from being totally accurate. I remember talking with the head of the blood typing lab at Ohio State, ar the Graham Land and Cattle dispersal in Minnesota, and he confirming that most breeds were infusing cattle from other breeds. He said that some Milking Shorthorn blood types could slip through the blood tuping tests in Angus and that they had found 7 full blood Maine bulls that blood typed as purebred Shorthorns. I also remember getting a phone call from a well known Angus breeder in that era, asking me if I knew where I could find semen from McKee's Matchless Dairyman, a red Milking Shorthorn bull. This guy told me that this bull sired solid black calves when used on Angus cows and they also blood typed as purebred Angus. This wasn't just a Shorthorn thing. I believe the advancements in the past few years, with DNA testing, have cleaned up a lot of crap that was happening.


Great. A clear answer. Good!
Wish more info like that, on both road sides (breeds).
Sure not all are like to open the black secrets!

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The Big Show / Re: Bulls Heads
« on: February 01, 2019, 05:36:49 AM »
Maybe the old lessons on cattle breeding for look a masculine head on bulls can again return.
My first view is for lenght and meat cover on back.
Numbers and heads are wast time if the are no meat on the back, deep ribes and long loin!

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The Big Show / Re: AHL Kodiak
« on: January 13, 2019, 10:26:50 AM »
By the way!!
Who is Kodiak?
It's a Maine, a Chi-Maine?
What a hell is this bull?

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The Big Show / Re: Genetic defects
« on: January 02, 2019, 06:06:45 AM »
Here are a couple of Bison we saw at Elk Island Park on a drive through last September. They evidently have a herd of Plains Bison and herd of Wood Bison but I have no idea which herd was in the section we drove through. There were several bulls along the road and a larger herd of cows and calves in one group and a group of young bulls in another. I'm not sure if a genetic defect would survive in relatively small herds. It should certainly show up if it existed.

On nature....a deformed calf is a easy dinner for wolves.
Natural selection.
Not necessary use a pedigree bull carrier only for fashion, or worst, a non informed carrier!

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