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The Big Show / Re: Some pictures of Western Canadian bulls
« on: February 16, 2013, 07:14:55 AM »
Creekside Shorthorns

19Z and 7Z
First one has a very good posterior shape with many muscle on top. A little bit short loin. Good shoulders too.
7Z is long and deep. Not so many muscle on posterior as 19Z, but a very good choice to produce weighty steers.
Bad colors. Should be roans!  <alien>

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The Big Show / Re: Some pictures of Western Canadian bulls
« on: February 15, 2013, 12:14:39 PM »
Wow... (clapping)!
Now we have BULLS here.
For me Alta Cedar 3Z is top. followed very close bu white HC Dot Com 17Z. Also roan HC 50Y is very interest one, could show a little more meat on posterior.
But Alta 3Z and HC 17Z can be loaded to Brazil just NOW!

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The Big Show / Re: THIS IS TO MUCH ----
« on: February 14, 2013, 07:43:49 AM »
ET's abductions can cause it too!  (lol)
Will not comment regarding your country politics and politicians, as you have only two political parties to worry.
Here in Brazil we has 32 diferent political groups and the most corrupts politicians of the world, perhaps supplanted only by Italians.  :-\

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The Big Show / Re: Some pictures of Western Canadian bulls
« on: February 14, 2013, 07:34:40 AM »
New good set.
Liked both whites.

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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:57:48 PM »
The Shorthorn bull enticer was out of a purebred maine cow.......yet I believe that enticer was asterist free. Predictability is more important than purity. There was so much holstein in some of the Angus in the 90's they were like plus 100 on milk. Alotta chi also. It might be bred out by now.

Enticer...holy shi*!
I hear that also Big Mac sire and Gus 80C Grand dam are by Maine Anjou. As well as lots of Millbrook cattle.

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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:52:13 PM »
Hot post!  (clapping)
Agree with HerefordGuy regarding Way Plantation Angus. A very close inbreed herd became almost homozygous.
HerefordGuy you is right that fake pedigrees occur in low frequencies, agree with you. But if the fake pedigree is from a very popular bull as Big Sky in the Angus or Rodeo Drive in the Shorthorn (are only an examples, I'm not confirming this), this low frequency became a high frequency!
Regarding some personal experiences from many breeders (regarding Big Sky calves, New Yorker and other bulls) I'm afraid, in think that DNA analysis can not be so accurate as I believe!
Hereford Guy do you have DNA analyses about Shorthorns? How breeds were infused others than Maine, Lincoln and Irish. What sires are not really what they claim to be?

Do you mean to say "personal experiences" or "blatant rumors"? You believe what somebody says somebody says over a guy who has looked at the genotype and confirms this bull is not a crossbred?...




I'm not sure is are only rumors, a friend that I have full confidence I cited some cases of pedigrees that are not real. As I am outside the USA and have little knowledge about what they used to "improve" the breed Aberdeen Angus, I believe these people because there is no reason for him to lie.
Either way there are various examples listed here by several different breeders, who are reporting some bull that had unofficially mixture of bloods.
Due to Brazil today is a major importer of Aberdeen Angus genetics with American origin, and of course well known that many poor quality bulls are sent here. I try to only learn more what took place in their country.
So where there are many rumors, some truth may occur.

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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:40:59 AM »
Hot post!  (clapping)
Agree with HerefordGuy regarding Way Plantation Angus. A very close inbreed herd became almost homozygous.
HerefordGuy you is right that fake pedigrees occur in low frequencies, agree with you. But if the fake pedigree is from a very popular bull as Big Sky in the Angus or Rodeo Drive in the Shorthorn (are only an examples, I'm not confirming this), this low frequency became a high frequency!
Regarding some personal experiences from many breeders (regarding Big Sky calves, New Yorker and other bulls) I'm afraid, in think that DNA analysis can not be so accurate as I believe!
Hereford Guy do you have DNA analyses about Shorthorns? How breeds were infused others than Maine, Lincoln and Irish. What sires are not really what they claim to be?

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The Big Show / Re: Some pictures of Western Canadian bulls
« on: February 12, 2013, 04:26:09 PM »
Good set of bulls!  (clapping)

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The Big Show / Re: Alta Cedar Code Red
« on: February 12, 2013, 04:18:36 PM »
The first Code Red calves will born in Brazil on late year. I own some few straws him as well from Lad's Legacy. Hope him will add style and meat on herds here.

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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf
« on: February 12, 2013, 03:43:57 PM »
Only check parents (sire/dam) isn't the final proof that animal is pure. For this, a phylogenetic analysis is necessary.  It is easy to use a Gebvieh cow to produce a half blood cow that isn't on shows and mate it with a Red Angus bull, producing a calf 75% AA that show a good heterosis and has both parents on DNA parentage analyzed. Ways to defraud pedigrees are well know as lots of breeders do it.
Aberdeen Angus are necessarily homozygous polled, and must poll full progeny. In other words, it is an excuse to cover up frauds!
Some well known bulls are white marker here in S.America. Also some from important and well known worldwide herds show Charolais and Holstein influence.
The PHA and TH are new defects introduced by these fashionable unofficial influences.
We need to open the eyes to some facts and take off hypocrisy as breeders!

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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf
« on: February 12, 2013, 01:56:48 PM »
The point is not scurrs related to a sex-link. It's genetics. To me, personally, the point is...Aberdeen Angus is a black breed with a little white accepted on scrotum and udder and a polled breed (no scurr and no horns!!) If the Association rules not allow scurrs, horns or white off these body places...animals can be not registered. FINAL! In other hand, close the register herd books and make a big club calf country!
Herd books rules must to be respect, genetics is another matter.



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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf
« on: February 11, 2013, 03:47:44 PM »
Scurrs and white spots are a common sense on Angus breed now. Some promiscuous matings are resulting these kind of characteristics. I saw lots of fullblood calves with long pedigree lines with white belly (all belloy), white marks on shoulders, stars in front, and scurrs as well.
Some american bulls are describe to insert this white marks and I hear that an old Red Angus bulls also introduced some scurrs.
Or our genetics books and Mendel is wrong or something is wrong! Believe on second!
Polled character is dominante under horns. As well as black coat is dominante too. So...

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The Big Show / Re: Fertility or what?
« on: February 10, 2013, 06:03:11 PM »
I also not a fan of big framed cattle as my enviroment condition is unable for keep it. But Leah is an amazing wonderful cow. Many times visiting oky site I stay looking she and think as wonderful should be own some calves from her. After you post that she produce so huge embryos amount I stay open mounth with your fertility and capacity to keep her body condition. Is an exception cow, my congratulations for you!
Regarding your capacity to produce so many embryos per flush and conceive at first mating, I can assume that she is UNIQUE!  (clapping)

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The Big Show / Re: Aj's Theory
« on: February 10, 2013, 04:09:05 PM »
I am a amateur anthropologist. I go to all kinds of seminars and stuff. There is a site bout 5 miles from here.....bison kill site......Laird-Busse site......dalton point and bison skeletons. Radiocarbon dated to 8,000 years ago. Busse cache site is colse. Time wise there have been folsoms and clovis points found in this area. timeline......11,000 bc to 1880. There is a timeframe between about 8,000 to 5,000 bc where very little stuff is found. They think there was a 3 to 5 thousand year drought out here where every body went to the mountains or to present day eastern Colorado. I love studying about it.....helped with the Kanarado dig a couple weeks.


Thank you AJ by your explanation. I was to list Clovis people on my post, but was in doubt of my accuracy. This is a theme that I love much...Ice Age, Megafauna, Clovis people, etc.....Good job! Congrats.
 (clapping) (clapping) (clapping) (clapping)

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The Big Show / Re: Aj's Theory
« on: February 09, 2013, 05:52:34 PM »
Cabanha.......I like that......"wolves meeting and lambs dying".

AJ was looking at your facebook profile. Great pics of stone arrowheads. Your farm is a kind of archeological site? What time?

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