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The Big Show / Re: Aj's Theory
« on: February 06, 2013, 06:47:31 AM »
 (clapping)
Funny topic!
A conspiracy topic suppose. Will declare war to some one? A country invasion?
Here in southern Brazil we have a saying - Wolves meeting, lambs dying!
- Before some one crucify me, IS A JOKE!! -

But in true, reading all this topics I can see - or imagine - that some guys here are not so good friends and some times these "differences" found on real life appear here.
Guys, life is short!
 <party>

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Well, I'm new here on SP, also live in other country, so my opinion can not be so heavy for some people. Not wish be on one or another side for vote for ban him, only wish write a little.
After start reading this topic, go back to look my "personal contact" with blackdiamond. He never was aggressive with me, even in contradictory views we had.
I think, under my 41 years old, that people have different views, this is not a problem....the real problem is when people use those differences to start fights, and many....I'm sure that many people not accept as well these views are contraries their causes. Some people are flexible with this and keep a good discussion, showing the base for such ideas, some people no!
I don't know how far he was not friendly with some, but as some already explained, he has contributed to this site, unfortunately some times, with bad opinions as well.
Thank you and wish all participants can maintaim mutual respect in a high level discussions.

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The Big Show / Re: Sterling Bull Sale Catalogues Scotland
« on: February 02, 2013, 02:38:16 PM »
Full lots list, with pedigrees, here....http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=3E373E3D&2=2928&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&11=53525D
The unique pics from lots I got were these ones from Upsall.


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The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn herd startup
« on: January 27, 2013, 05:00:19 PM »
BY MY HERD BUILDING SOME YEARS AGO, I BOUGHT CATTLE FROM THREE DIFFERENT SOURCES WITH SIMILAR GENETICS BACKGROUND BASED ON ENTICER, TRIBUNE, GUS AND BIG MAC. WAS A MISTAKE AS HAD DIFFERENT FEMALES TYPE. NOW I'M INSEMINATING ALL FEMALES WITH AN UNIQUE BULL FOR STANDARIZE THE HERD.

THE POINT IS....LOOK FOR STANDARD TYPE COWS, FROM ONE SOURCE OF DIFFERENT ONES. WILL BE BETTER FOR UNIFORM YOUR HERD.

GOOD LUCK!

 <beer>

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The Big Show / Re: Solid Red, Polled Shorthorn Bull Calf
« on: January 27, 2013, 04:56:38 PM »
ALSO REGISTER ANIMALS WITH VERY VERY LITTLE WHITE POINTS ON CHEST OR BELLY AS WHITE, AS RED COLOR IS DOMINANTE SHADE ON 99,99% BODY. THE RED LITTLE WHITE ARE USED FOR ONES THAT SHOW WHITE LOWLINE AND STAR ON FACE, ALSO FOR SOME LITTLE SHITE ON SHOULDERS AND BACK. ROANS ARE ONLY ROANS AND WHITES ARE WHITES.

REGARDING A VERY LITTLE WHITE ON RED COAT CAUSE SOME BLUE ROANS, CAN ASSUME THAT, BASED ON CO-DOMINANCE SHORTHORN COAT STANDARD, ALSO THE FULL RED ONES ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE BLACK/WHITE ANIMAIS AS WELL AS BLUE ROANS. AS FULL RED CAN PRODUCE A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF ROANS AND WHITES, SAME WHEN MATED WITH FULL RED COWS. IS EASIER TO KEEP A RED HERD, BUT TIME BY TIME DARK ROANS, ROANS , RED LITTLE WHITES AND SOME VERY RARE WHITE COATS WILL APPEAR.

BLACK CATTLE ARE NOT THE BEST ANIMALS IN THE WORLD, THIS IS AN UNTRUE MARKETING MADE INFORMATION. GOOD CATTLE, BUT NOT THE UNIQUE ONES!

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Just thought I would mention that I have finished posting our online sale of embryos, semen and flushes at www.edjeauctions.com. The sale starts on Feb 1st and ends on Feb 3rd. You can place a maximum bid in the sale system and it will bid for you to that price if you can't be around through the entire sale. Your maximum bid is not known by anyone but yourself.

  Our embryo sales have been very good this past year with 320 embryos sold to 7 countries, In the past month we have sold embryos to 6 different Shorthorn breeders in England, Scotland and Ireland, and we have a tank heading over there soon. Okotoks also has embryos in this shipment as well as several from breeders of some other breeds.

You won't find too many American show genetics in this sale offering, but you will find genetics from what we think are good sires and dams that can produce great breeding cattle. Check it out and contact me anytime if you have any questions. There appears to be a definite demand for these genetics in the US as we have sold embryos to South Carolina, Alabama, Iowa, Illinois, N Dakota, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, Kansas, and Washington in the past year.

For buyers in this sale, we are offering a delivery incentive. We are offering delivery to a central location in the US ( possibly Hawkeye Breeders, Adel, IA) at no cost to the buyer. These costs can be significant when customs, vet, health papers and courier fees are considered. We will ship all embryos purchased by Canadian buyers at NO COST to them. For overseas buyers we will pay the first $400 of a any shipment to their country. THIS OFFER IS ONLY PROVIDED TO BUYERS IN THIS SALE.

We also offer one of the best guarantees that we know of in the business. We offer a minimum pregnancy guarantee of 50% at 70 days after implantation providing an experienced embryo technician is used. This is why we sell our embyros in packages of 2 or 4.


Well done!  (clapping)
Amazing lots of bulls and donors! Liked some him here in my fileds!
Congrats!
 (clapping) (clapping)

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The Big Show / Re: Hello Shorthorn Breeders
« on: January 18, 2013, 05:47:35 AM »

Hi All,
     I am a relatively new Shorthorn breeder. I entered in breed knowing very little about shorthorns as My father an I  had been a Salers breeders since 1984. When I got interested in getting back into registered stock after college I discovered a sad thing had occurred, there were virtually no pure Salers left all have been cross-bred black. True Salers are red!  I don't mind if ppl chose to crossbreed cattle for those seeking heterosis that's fine but don't call the offspring purebred bc that is a lie. Having said that I discovered soon after purchasing first shorthorns that they too do the same thing. However bc of their bylaws can't have black purebred so they opt to cross w red Maine anjou which for first calf heifers is like giving birth to an elephant. Two distinct branches exist in shorthorns, those breeding for club calves and those breeding for functional cattle.
  I have found out about native shorthorns which for those who don't know are the pure stock. I will admit I have some of both performance and natives, but am gradually weeding out the performance females and replacing with natives. I do not like the calving problems the Maine influenced shorthorns have. I don't understand why anyone would especially since several of the mainstream bulls throw huge calves, that often times are born dead. Not being smartypants but I'd take a 55# live calf any day over a 100# dead one any day.

I do not mean to insult anyone I just feel that regardless of breed no crossbred animal should be called purebred. Not saying crossbred cattle are bad in and of themselves just think they should have to declare blood percentages on reg papers.
 

Hi from Brazil.
Many breeds show the desiree to became "modern and popular", Salers, Maines, Gelbviehs, Simmentak became blacks and Shorthorns infused Maine Anjou, Holstein, Chianina and others to get size for a "modern ephemerus world" that work on this way for a couple decades.
The ASA had a symbol (*) in front of register number for differe thus infused bloodlines from other, unhappily Irish influenced animal are keep as pure and not received this (*), and Irish animals are open pedigrees. If is very hardy show confidence about purity on full pedigrees, think you what can be found on open pdigrees. But this was a thing that not was a problem for US/CAN breeders. After a time the (*) symbol was take off, today for know what kind genetics a Shorthorn bring you must chck back generations to certificate it.
On UK also was infusions of Maine Anjou, a different kind of Maines, and Society keeps the blood percentages until 2000, after that percentages were take off, so you also need check back generations for check the genetics on animals.
I respect all cases, but as a breeder that wish keep and follow a different selection line, I would like to have options for choose what kind genetics I'm looking for, for this a clear marked pedigree is important.
Really I don't know were fullnlood registered cattle will reach. So many blood infusions on many breeds are becaming rare a full pure animal. So why keep a register, paying taxes, keeping records.....if on final on the road all will to be crossed cattle without fixed characteristcs that will segregate on second cross (including black hide).
Well this is my view point and keep respect with different ones, but would like ask for people also respect my one and keep all pedigrees well clear marked for people have options and knowledge were get it.

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The Big Show / Re: Successful Flush
« on: January 16, 2013, 05:37:36 PM »
consider to flush her dual purpose? horned or polled wouldnt matter...share a pic of her some offspring please,



Considerations regarding mating?
 (thumbsup)

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The Big Show / Re: Successful Flush
« on: January 16, 2013, 05:36:26 PM »
Good hear it!  (clapping) (clapping)
I can to be a future customer from this genetics to Brazil.
 <party>

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The Big Show / Re: Shows on Internet
« on: January 12, 2013, 07:34:32 AM »
Shows on internet are a very good tool!  (clapping) (clapping)
Like much watch the judgements as is impossible be in live on many shows. Palermo show in Argentina (mid july) and Prado Show in Uruguay (mid september) are available on internet, being Palermo a most complete show with lots of cameras there. Prado was the first time available on net last year, maybe now more cameras and a better placed ones can be done. Also some sales in UK are available. We need to be  informed about dates to can watch all on net.
Will try see Denver and other on US by computer too, of course that would to be better cams on specific breeds, giving you the choice to see breeds of your interest. It's a thing to promoters thing in future.

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The Big Show / Re: Simmental coat patterns
« on: January 11, 2013, 03:21:20 PM »
:)
Interest matter. Always show curiosity for why a breed change your color coat in US, like Simmental, Limousin, Charolais....
But not understood well the explanation  ???
Until I know about genetics, the an unique change of color coat will not insert on animals marble and other characters of Angus breed. For this is necessary a cross with at least 75% Angus. So the Simmental are not more Simmnetals, they are Angus crosses! Of course market is the final objective.
Also many Angus are big framed low mature beasts in US, maybe due continental infusion on there. It's a two way road at final.
Not yet understand well why continentals lost your uniqueness breed character for a few dollaes more (maybe Clint can explain!)
Regards.

 <alien>


If you lived in the US you would understand that marketing does not necessarily have anything to do with facts  :)

Due to this I enter daily on this site to read the topics! Trying understand the cattle world, not only my regional operation.  ;D

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The Big Show / Re: Simmental coat patterns
« on: January 10, 2013, 06:24:41 PM »
 :)
Interest matter. Always show curiosity for why a breed change your color coat in US, like Simmental, Limousin, Charolais....
But not understood well the explanation  ???
Until I know about genetics, the an unique change of color coat will not insert on animals marble and other characters of Angus breed. For this is necessary a cross with at least 75% Angus. So the Simmental are not more Simmnetals, they are Angus crosses! Of course market is the final objective.
Also many Angus are big framed low mature beasts in US, maybe due continental infusion on there. It's a two way road at final.
Not yet understand well why continentals lost your uniqueness breed character for a few dollaes more (maybe Clint can explain!)
Regards.

 <alien>

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The Big Show / Re: Cost of flushing in Canada
« on: January 09, 2013, 07:28:50 PM »
I use Davis-Rairdan Embryo Transplants from Crossfield, AB  for most of my flushing.It is a 600 mile trip out there but I continue to use them because of their international work.  They do on- farm flushing through the months of April, May and June. If you have some recips set up they will also put the embryos you collect, in at the same time. I have also used Optimum Genetics at Regina, and have good success with them as well. I think there are quite a few excellent choices. I have stayed with Davis-Rairdan mainly because I export so many embryos and they seem to do so much international work that we can oftentimes make up joint shipments. Right now I am putting a shipment together for Britain and have gathered about 50-60 embryos that have sold over there. I have 26 of my own and okotoks has some along with several from other breeds. I am hoping we can find a few more to put in the tank so that the costs will be minimal on a per embryo basis.

I see that your Misty 57P cow is a descendant of HC Mac's Missie 78L, that your family purchased from us as a bred heifer. I remember her very well, and she was a thick even roan female with some outcross genetics in her background.


Grant, what excelent set of donors and embryos available!! I'm impressed. Congrats!
 (thumbsup) (thumbsup) <beer>

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The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn and Simmental bulls
« on: January 09, 2013, 07:20:11 PM »
22, 7 and 8.
 (dog) <band>

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The Big Show / Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« on: January 01, 2013, 04:57:00 PM »

Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.

I will get on to that when the holiday season is over on 07 January 2013.  That is generally when everyone gets back to work after Christmas.

Had a good look at the pictures of Shorthorns and Lincoln Red Shorthorns on your website and liked them.  I saw Stonmour Thundercloud at the last Royal Show in 2009, good bull considering his 100% pure status.

Where abouts are you in Brazil, down south near Argentina?

I knew Thunder Cloud in farm on 2010. Liked much him, medium framed bull, lots of meat. Have two heifers (embryos collect two weeks ago) and a bull calf that is very interest. To me is a outcross very interest.

I live in southern Brazil, 220 km from Uruguay. Argentina is so far for me, around 700 km on road. Yearly I visited Palermo show there and already judge on Prado (Montevideo - Uruguay). My city is Rio Grande, look at google to have an idea where I'm from.

As you check my site you saw all availale genetics from SHO and LIR that I own.

Best 2013!

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