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The Big Show / Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« on: December 18, 2012, 03:32:18 PM »
I like how they are showing in the mud.

On that year, 2011, I was there and wa sinvited to put the 3 best female prize. Good heifer! Mud, lots of mud and cool very cool. But mud is part of business on show or on ranch! Not a problem.

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The Big Show / Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« on: December 17, 2012, 08:28:41 PM »
Count Willy and Estrella are my two favorites you have Pictured.

GB


On next saturday will collect four cows with both ones. Estrella have better progeny than Willy. Saw Willy personnaly, impressive bull at two years.
Some outstanding Argentinian bulls (for me of course) will to be add soon.
Thanks for your comment GB.

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The Big Show / Re: Schrag sale
« on: December 17, 2012, 08:25:04 PM »
 (clapping) (clapping) (clapping)
Very interest topic! Starts with a light discussion regarding a determinated herd and finds with a very very good interpretation from a Hereford breeder (not Miniature suppose), some times an outside unparcial view have good value!
Understood and learn some topics today:
- On US/Canada show cattle are fake beasts but are good for sold, and real cattle are bad for sold but are real!
- Shorthorn EPD's are ALL fake and unuseful numbers only used for occupy space on sale catalogues, as breeders in general lie the real values or do a pr clean on data.
- For some people a 110 pounds calf is better than a 80 pounds calf....but on reality both ones will to be weaned and go to a feedlot and this show no meaning for me, as grain will finnish both on same time.
- Sale catalogues show BW EPD's, not the real bull BW. So a bull that born with 110 lbs and show a -1 BW EPD is preferred for one that show BW EPD of + 2 lbs, even born with 80 lbs.
- Scottish like of big animals (saw it on local), don't know how many time....maybe until Prime Minister cut off all subsidies and Scots/Brits must bred real cattle that will born, grow, work, conceive and birth on grass as real cattle.
- US and Canadian breeder are like Brazilian...each one blindly believes that your operation, in consequence your genetics are the true one.

Interest topic!
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The Big Show / Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« on: December 17, 2012, 06:27:39 PM »
Lincoln Red were widely used on Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil for 15 years at least. I can tell you, 100% sure, that ALL Shorthorn cattle on these three countries show some Lincoln Red infusion. Today, of course, this influence is on back generations on almost all cattle. But ALL show Lincoln Red on the pedigrees. Direct use on Lincoln Red is impossible today due register rules, but use of animals with LR percentage that are already on the herd book is permitted. So I can use a half blood Lincoln Red bull on my cows since this bull is on herd book. At true I own semen of some bulls wih this case, the heterosis is increadible and the progeny show a very good type, specially to put meat on some US lines.
/// One of my favorite functional bulls is GB Daybreak Express-who was by Byland Dazzler and went back to Licoln Red and Maine. Did they ever use any Maine Anjou in the Southern Americas-that were not dangerous calving? I would think Maines would work on the deep-stout cows like the roan from Argentina-in JustIn Times thread. O0
Yes, Maines were used only in Brazil. In Argentina and Uruguay recently (*) bulls were imported, so will find Maine, Holstein and Chianina there through (*) bulls. In Brazil Maines were used by limited numbers. Why? Don't know exactly....I suppose that for purpous looked by breeders Lincoln Red show more efficiency than Maines, as breeders were looking for to add polling factor and red coat on cattle, not only size. Also the British Lincoln Red breeders did very incisive marketing, bringing lots of bulls and salling it here at low prices. None Maine Anjou breeder did it or thinked on it. Maine blood enter here through AI bulls as Cunia, Scottish Echard, Dindonno, Bysantin, Plurenden Goliath, etc..... Lincoln Red were introduced through semen and live animals and each Shorthorn breeder in Brazil got your own Lincoln red bull for personal use. No data regarding birth problems.
MAine will not work well on roan cow on pic, as she is exactly what we are looking for, not is necessary add size and loose easy birth, motheing ability, meat quality and all Shorthorn characteristics. Would be one or two steps behing using Maine Anjous here again. No place for Maine influence cattle as Trump.

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The Big Show / Re: question for Angus people
« on: December 17, 2012, 04:23:21 PM »
DNA tests for paternity on Champions is a half true! As the grandsire and dams can be "exotics" and not will appear on DNA, giving an extra EPD for progeny due heterosis. I live in southern Brazil, starting a little Aberdeen Angus fullblood herd, but I'm conscious that US and Canadian genetics have lots of fake pedigrees. Would like know exactly herd or bulls are mongrels with papers, but suppose that none one will open the gates here on SP.

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The Big Show / Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« on: December 17, 2012, 04:11:08 PM »
Lincoln Red were widely used on Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil for 15 years at least. I can tell you, 100% sure, that ALL Shorthorn cattle on these three countries show some Lincoln Red infusion. Today, of course, this influence is on back generations on almost all cattle. But ALL show Lincoln Red on the pedigrees. Direct use on Lincoln Red is impossible today due register rules, but use of animals with LR percentage that are already on the herd book is permitted. So I can use a half blood Lincoln Red bull on my cows since this bull is on herd book. At true I own semen of some bulls wih this case, the heterosis is increadible and the progeny show a very good type, specially to put meat on some US lines.

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The Big Show / Re: JSF Gauge
« on: December 17, 2012, 04:04:19 PM »
Very good discussion. On last two years Select Sires offer Capiche semen here in Brazil. Not many people bought it.
Duncraggan very good pics. Liked of your heifers, special look on the red white belly one. My heifer type, maybe not exact genetics that I would like use.
Regarding your Ai bull bunch, suppose that as in Brazil, you in South Africa use what was available on that time. Here, also, by many years only Enticer, Winchester and a couple bull more were available. Not exactly what we would like to choose and use.
Regards.

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The Big Show / Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« on: December 11, 2012, 09:08:36 AM »
My embryos were sired by Maria Lucia Salvador 8167. He is by Acthorpe Karl a Lincoln Red bull that did a great job on Argentinain Shorthorn. The mother line is by a mix of Lincoln Red blood and Tribune and Clark. Bith these bulls were extensivelly used on some herds in Argentina were help to put size on cattle, unhapilly lacking meat on back. Salvador 8167 was twive Reserve Champion on Palermo and Champion bull there. Many sons and gradsons were champions there. Frame 6 around. Deep red color. Very long best. Some pics on my web www.vetorial.net/~shorthorn, look at embrioes and banco semen/shorthorn. Unhappilly is write in portuguese, but feel free to ask me additional info.

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The Big Show / Re: Einmor Marquis
« on: December 11, 2012, 08:20:43 AM »
Saw some Marquis sons in Argentina, not impressed me. Have semen from a Marquis son, used it, also not impressed me. Isn't our cattle type.

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The Big Show / Re: What do you think of this Shorthorn female?
« on: December 11, 2012, 08:17:08 AM »
Hi Guys,
The cow is called Dantgiu Roseta Reuque Floriae X137, she was Palermo Great Champion for two times, all with calf at food. She was cloned and produced 4 clones, one died last year by a snake bit. The three remaining already produced progeny, being one clon progeny the National Shorthorn Show champion on last september. She is an amazing cow. I will insert some embryos from her and a very important bull on next week, here in southern Brazil where I raise Shorthorn.

The X137 is a grass based cow, of course that for show the animals are feed with suplements as around the world. But she is my preferred cow due the deep body and straight loin, a very good massive back quarters, very rare in US cattle as I used some bulls from US and take off the meat. Is a grass cattle, able to produce in grass, fat in grass and produce high quality meat on grass. Medium framed (5 to 5.5).

You can contact me by facebook or email on jpmm@vetorial.net for additional informations about her or another animals here in Brazil, Uruguay or Argentina. You also can see the Rosetta X137 pedigree on this Sociedad Rural Argentina link - http://www.sra.org.ar/rrgg/arbol.php?sexo=2&raza=101&rp=%20%20%20%20X137&hbae=510224&nombre=DANTGIU%20ROSETTA%20REUQUE%20FLORIAE%20%20%20%20%20&hbap=520120&hbam=509289&asop=0&asom=0&asoc=0&rgst=&rgsp=&rgsm=&cdpx=%20X&colo=2.

She show some Us genetics through RPS Tribune 82 (sire line - g.g.gsire - twice on pedigree), Clark (Dairy Shorthorn - dam line - g.g.g.sire), TNT Fastrak (dam line - g.g.sire) and HS Instant Enticer (sire line  - g.g.g.sire).

Feel free to contact me. Regards.
Jean Pierre Machado - Brazil.

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The Big Show / Re: Scottish echard Fullblood bull
« on: September 04, 2012, 09:07:17 PM »
Echard was used few used here in Brazil on Shorthorn cows.
I own semen from him.

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The Big Show / Re: Wolf Willow Major Leroy video
« on: September 03, 2012, 08:41:11 PM »
Yes, lots of Leroy semen were sold in Brazil. I own some calves by him. Early this year sold a bull by him, red color, 2 years old and 700 kg. Very muscled. Good feets ans good walking bull. Have a three years old heifer by him, crazy temperament, but well muscled too, will inseminate him on november, maybe Alta Cedar Lad's Legacy or KInnaber Leader 9th. Saw many good calves by Leroy in Brazil and suggest the breeders to use for add muscle on thin lacking back animals with Winchester, Enticer blood. Good bull. Could to be white or roan!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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The Big Show / Re: Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!
« on: August 15, 2012, 10:12:37 PM »
And D.President, how is bred?
Like it, massive, good color. on back maybe will to be better than other ones.
Like it. (thumbsup)

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The Big Show / Re: "Easy" (Coalpit Creek Leader 6th)
« on: August 15, 2012, 09:57:57 PM »
What wonderful pics. The bull is amazing. Congrats.
I would like posts regarding old bulls genetics and offline facts of Shorthorn breed in US/Can/AUS.
Will try check the posts frequently.
An old post regarding Meriwong Smuggler/ Crestdale S.Flag was amazing. I own some semen from Smuggler, Lone Pine G. Society, Mandalong S.Flag and others old bulls.
Regards from southern Brazil. (clapping)

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