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The Big Show / Re: Opinions on 3/4 Simmi Steer
« on: August 10, 2015, 12:01:42 PM »
Nice steer. If he had more body hair you could clip the front down tight. doing well for his age weight gain. That's the only big critique I see is cleaning up front a bit.

The Big Show / Re: Proper amount of grain
« on: August 09, 2015, 07:42:43 PM »
Thanks for the info. OH Breeder we are feeding each separate and all eat very well and seem to be hungry a lot. They have pretty much free run of hay at night. The two steers are short but some of that is genetics. They are the ones that seem to be fat but are not growing. I am afraid of stunting grow if we feed to heavy. I will try to snap some pics soon.

If someone you know works with this feed type can tell you the protein ration would help. If you put them on a grower ration they will grow more than get fat. Since you feed separate it wouldn't be a problem. I feed 11% pretty much all the way through. If we have a heifer that looks slightly behind we will bump her 12% or little more.

The Big Show / Re: Bull GFK
« on: August 08, 2015, 09:09:12 PM »
Looks like he needs his rear hooves trimmed. Hard to tell the way he sets his foot down and the dirt.

The Big Show / Re: Proper amount of grain
« on: August 08, 2015, 08:24:29 PM »
We mill our feed and use the standard of 3% of total body weight consumption a day on grain. hay free choice. Do you feed them all separate or all at once? We also weigh calves frequently if you want to get an idea of how one is eating and gaining.

The Big Show / Re: Opinions on show calves
« on: August 08, 2015, 08:20:55 PM »
Heifer 1 looks to me to have little more potential. Could be her age, but she seems more balanced and has some depth of body. Once she gets little more feed in her and hair worked she would look totally different.
Heifer 2 is really green. Little peicey at this point.

Bull definitely masculine guy. Like to change the front shoulder shape a bit but he has some overrall thickness and top to him.

The Big Show / Re: Opinions on show calves
« on: August 08, 2015, 08:06:23 PM »
Little easier to see them.

The Big Show / Re: First flush- JT Daisy 99K
« on: August 07, 2015, 08:55:13 AM »
With her style and confirmation there are a lot of different ways you could flush that female. Do you have any pictures of previous offspring?

The Big Show / Re: Mab dead
« on: August 06, 2015, 11:36:37 AM »
Mab was a great bull. Few bulls can produce the power steers and true breeding females.
This is a mab x encore/734/6807 at Davis farms in Kingston, Ohio
If we can make more heifers like this, it doesn't matter what semen cost. I'm buying it.

Very nice female! I like she has some set to that rear leg and isn't post legged like some of the clubbier females. Looks like she will make an interesting breeding piece.

The Big Show / Re: 2015 calves we have had
« on: August 06, 2015, 11:13:42 AM »
Really like that middle calf. she just looks like she is going to be a chunky momma cow. Like to give her a tick more bone but overall she is pretty flashy. Let us know how you do at the fair.

The Big Show / Re: First flush- JT Daisy 99K
« on: August 06, 2015, 11:11:29 AM »
Gal is in good shape physically for 15. Nice udder. would be great to get a heifer or two out of her. Good luck with your implant.

The Big Show / Re: Brangus heifer I raised
« on: August 04, 2015, 06:24:17 PM »
super feminine gal. Nice extension plenty of body. Looks really complete. I would be proud of her too. (thumbsup)

The Big Show / Re: Any "Two Tone" calf pics out there?
« on: August 04, 2015, 06:19:22 PM »
I didn't like the pictures from stud that I saw of Two Tone, but I really like that female on the profile. she does look cowy. If dustin glover is using him there must be something there I would think out of a program like his.

The Big Show / Re: Sale barn cow
« on: August 04, 2015, 06:16:47 PM »
ONce I was able to clean up the picture and reduce the size. The cow looks like Galloway or Galloway cross. Could be Shorthorn Angus possible. I like the cow. She is compact deeper bodied. Looks like she is milking well. I think Monopoly would click on her. A couple years ago there was a really neat heifer very similar one of the big clubby guys sold. WHite with the black tips. Breed cautiously first go around. You can always have her pelvic checked breeding soundness exam.

« on: August 04, 2015, 01:08:37 PM »
cbcr, what would you be looking to accomplish by pulling a DNA test on the dam?

OP, as far as keeping as a bull prospect, we're talking about a 4 breed bull calf already, so he's not going to bring much, if any, heterosis to the table for a breeder.   Sounds like the makings of a good steer prospect to me.   Also, I don't know much about In Dew Time as a club calf sire, but he is a nice Simmy bull.

I don't know if you have looked at some of the club calf bulls, but there are quiet a few that 3, 4 and more. WMW is a prime example.
MAB= Sire: Monopoly  Dam:Hard Core x Who Made Who x Simm
I DA MAN= Who Da Man( WMW x WMW x Char x CHI) Dam: Heat Seeker x 6651 Donor

The list goes on. If the quality is there, there will be a market. Just give the dude some time.

The Big Show / Re: Putting weight on market hefier
« on: August 04, 2015, 12:40:55 PM »
I find it very discouraging that so few people have been taught to understand feed rations and how to adjust them in order to achieve desired rate of gain.  Ag teachers need to step it up.

 'grain' and 'hay' have absolutely no meaning in terms of the nutritional value of the ration that you're feeding.  Is that a 50% TDN high fiber 'grain' mix or is it a 80%TDN high energy textured finisher?   Is that 20%CP heavily fertilized Coastal hay or a 7% native hay?

Even without knowing the energy level of the grain you're feeding -which is most important- I would bet if you're only feeding 17lbs, then close to half of your heifers total ration is hay.   Unless you're trying to hold one over- maintain weight- this should never be the case.  With a calf of any weight, if half of their total consumption is dry hay, then you're going to be hard pressed to get much over a couple lbs per day gain.  If you want a calf to really gain, the TDN% of the TOTAL ration needs to be over 70% with no more than 20% of the total ration coming from hay. 

All the supplements in the world are of very little use until after you've adjusted the energy level of the TOTAL ration to meet your desired gain.

Speaking of Ag advisors. The kids in our area weigh their calves through out the year. So you are 2 months prior to your show trying to gain bunch of weight. Also instructing kids on what is growing ration and a fat ration. Adjusting your ration according to where you are in the process of gain and days til show. I always work with my feed mill to adjust rations accordingly. We usually have to hold them and shrink them. f

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