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The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 21, 2019, 09:44:25 AM »
I wonder about Muridale Raw Hide 6e's status. He looks like one hell of a bull by his picture.

He was listed as clean on their sale sheet. I believe they've been testing their sale bulls for a few years now.

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 19, 2019, 08:08:04 AM »
The ASA offers the test if you add it as an additional defect test on the far right side of their form. I believe it was $27 the last time I ran one.

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 15, 2019, 10:42:34 AM »
It's interesting to see how the different players have reacted to the issue.




There is also an article in one of the Shorthorn Country's, but I couldn't find and an easy link to include it.

The Big Show / Re: Best shorthorn cow families?
« on: July 02, 2019, 09:54:31 PM »
I think you could run yourself in circles trying to pick out the best.

Some of the current show ring trends are leaving some awfully productive cow families on the back burner as well. The Picture Perfect, Marie, Minnie, Una, Fools, & Playful Cait lines carry built in longevity as well as production. The Missie Ruth and Macie, previously Maybell??, cows that K's just dispersed were very respectable.

The Butterfly family Leveldale has via the EF herd and the Queen family via the Martindell herd are two that are working well here that often get overlooked. Hard working honest cattle.

There's a never ending supply and various types of the Margie line out there. Have a fun project going on where we dug deep to revive some of the source of that line. Not sure the new kids would even recognize it.

The Big Show / Re: what is th, pha,ds cattle trait?
« on: July 01, 2019, 09:12:37 AM »
Is it proven that a PHA carrier that is tested DS free carries the same probablity of DS outcome on another DS animal as a DS on a DS?

I'd assume the answer would have to be no it's not proven, but there could be some research out there pinning the actual odds down that I don't know about. I'm sure it was difficult to pin down what was going on when some animals don't display at all and some had to be butchered before 800lbs. No one tested the steers that looked normal and the steers that were crippled were just dumped as calves and everyone moved on.

As far as I know, PHA is the key to really unlocking the DS defect. There are several homo DS animals out there that do not display at all. JPJ has been line bred to over and over again in multiple herds, who have never even seen a DS animal, to the point they don't even believe it exists or the science is wrong. Assuming the owner trusts them well enough to let them see the calves, all they'd have to do is visit some herds known to have PHA in them to see some DS affected animals.

The Big Show / Re: what is th, pha,ds cattle trait?
« on: June 30, 2019, 12:54:51 PM »
The first two were very expensive lessons learned by those of us who played the game before the tests were readily available.

I'd suggest not even considering using a carrier on a carrier and even avoid mixing a PHA carrier with a DS carrier as well. While a ds calf isn't death, like TH and PHA can be, it's often still a cripple that easily could have been avoided. A lot of people ignore DS as it generally doesn't display without the help of PHA, but I'm guessing most of them have never seen a pen with several ds affected calves in it. There are other defects at play as well. They're just not as highly advertised as these three.

If you do some searching on here. you'll probably find more reading on the subject than you can absorb in a week.

The Big Show / Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« on: June 29, 2019, 09:21:30 AM »
Is Diamond Belvedere 29B semen available in the states?  Did they ever get the Australian data into digital beef?

I ran my yearling Lord Belmore son on some heifers this spring. He's sure looking the part.

The Big Show / Re: Mature bulls
« on: June 04, 2019, 09:34:33 PM »
He's a Bonanza son that appears to be putting some pretty functional daughters in the herd. I've used him to create some half sib x half sib matings to wind up some pedigrees and so far things look to be working well.

The Big Show / Re: Mature bulls
« on: June 04, 2019, 01:59:26 PM »
I try to make it through the Iowa stud barns once or twice a year and am often left wondering if anyone actually looks at these bulls after their promotion pics. While some big names are always down right disappointing, there are always a couple lesser or non promoted bulls who look really good that you never end up hearing anything about.

Times have sure changed, too. I think back to the 1990s when you'd run into a highly promoted cubby bull out on lease in some obscure pasture and be blown away. Now you often have to ask how old they are because you're eyes can't believe they're a "mature" bull.

Mature bull pic to keep the thread rolling...

The Big Show / Re: Hydroponic fodder system
« on: June 01, 2019, 10:32:20 PM »
There are several systems that are nearly completely automated. Seeding, watering, lights, heat, etc are all part of the self controlled system that dumps it into a tmr mixer cart.

I've never known one of these systems to be financially feasible, but I suppose some "grass fed" niche market could have a big enough premium to pull it off.

I'd sure like to see a picture of Hazel Leap 2nd if anyone has one. Is there a story behind why his semen straws are labeled like they are?

Pic of an Ultimate Type daughter...

If theyre going to accept data from TOC breeders, then the EPD that is generated from said data needs to be visible to all. 

 The cases Im speaking to are in many times from breeders who have passed 20 years ago.   Like what is the significance of blocking EPDs on animals who were at their last active date owned by people who expired long before WHR was even a thing.

Collecting the data for use in the system and then attempting to hide it from us has never made sense to me. I feel like I've paid my dues and WHR fees to use the system and should be able to see any animal in the database. Some of the old bulls didn't/don't have the correct owners listed so they were even being hidden from the owners. Others don't even have an owner listed and we get to see them.

The actual epds can be entertaining as well. You can observe some of them having significant movements with no recent calves or relatives reporting data. As of today, some of them have epds that are well beyond outliers. I've considered using a few of them I have in the tank just to see what happens. I assume I'd be forced to pay $80-100 for the genetics test just to register the calf and then they'll magically "fix" those crazy outlier epds I used the bull for in the first place.

The Big Show / Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
« on: April 25, 2019, 02:41:48 PM »
Is he producing semen yet? I know the waiting list was quite large after the sale.

How about Kane Captain AJ?

He's available to all, affordable, Red, and has put a few class winners out there in limited use on big time show lines. Pedigree is not high bw or the typical main stream Trump line breeding.

Red Knight, Red Reward, Red Stallion, Red Blood, Red Demand, Payday, and Hot Commodity come to mind as current bulls.

Availability and the cows they got used on surely affected their individual success/use ratio.

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