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The Big Show / Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« on: January 13, 2020, 08:28:55 PM »
Are there any new 1/2 blood shorthorn clubby bulls out there?

Looking for a very clean front, decent spine length, and a touch of frame to go with all the other good stuff.

The Big Show / Re: Going old school
« on: January 03, 2020, 05:13:11 PM »
If this is the direction people start going to get what today's puds need, it's going to be really interesting watching some of today's kids try to show those 90s Chi calves. The parental rants on facebook when they unload them off the trailer after buying them in some online sale half way across the country are going to be epic.

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: December 29, 2019, 05:22:27 PM »
Why would you be concerned about Patent?

Patent was tested in Canada and is listed as an E226x carrier.

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: December 28, 2019, 12:10:38 PM »
So far, 20 females and 28 bulls have results posted in the US database.
Compared to 283 females and 452 bulls posted in the Canadian database.
It looks like several of the US results were actually entered by Canadian breeders.

It's crazy how one little line on a map can have so much influence on something. Considering the consistant flow of genetics south and what some breeders have revealed about the genetics that flowed north, it'll be interesting to see the reaction when more people start testing animals in the US.

The marbling epd, even if accepted as being relatively unproven, seems to have a story to tell in many cases.

The Big Show / Re: PB Maine Bulls on Shorthorns
« on: December 13, 2019, 11:40:02 AM »
I had a Yukon bull calf out of a non show ring shorthorn. He added muscle mass and expression from end to end. I try not to sell very many bulls, but he caught the eye of everyone who stopped to look and if he hadn't had a white patch above his flank on one side he would have sold much quicker. BW was not much different from the rest of her pure shorthorn calves, but he was noticeably thicker at weaning and as a yearling than they were. I hope to eventually try him on a few more cows, probably Irish based, in order to get the female I think he should be able to throw.

I know some people are starting to think Red Reward has been used on everything under the sun and they're looking for something new, but I don't know what full blood bull would get you close to what Red Reward is doing via Red Avantage. I have 3 or 4 Red Reward calves on the ground now that I still find really interesting after browsing the aisle of the recent shows.

The Big Show / Re: Sull Grey Goose, Davinci Code and Sonny
« on: November 23, 2019, 07:01:21 PM »
Goose and Sonny appear to be non certificate bulls. Da Vinci Code does not have all his tests, so you're looking at blood testing the calf and getting ahold of the owner for a certificate. The other option would be talking the owner into making him AI sire qualified.

I sure wish they'd just go ahead and do away with the AI certificate process. Tracking down dead people or breeders who left the breed years ago just to register a calf is a real pain.

The Big Show / Re: Quick question-was MR Tri Cando a usefull bull?
« on: November 18, 2019, 08:55:02 PM »
I wondered who bought it and what they knew about the bull.

My searches came up empty, but if you hadn't bid I was going to blindly add it to my FB Maine bank. //// YOU STILL CAN-JUST GIVE ME WHAT I PAID FOR IT AND get it  O0

Did you buy the Capone too?

The Big Show / Re: KL- Lauer Shorthorn Complete Dispersal
« on: November 13, 2019, 02:15:45 PM »
I believe they called it a $2,211 average.

If I heard them right, KL Confiidence sold for $4,250.

The Big Show / Re: Quick question-was MR Tri Cando a usefull bull?
« on: November 12, 2019, 09:53:33 AM »
I wondered who bought it and what they knew about the bull.

My searches came up empty, but if you hadn't bid I was going to blindly add it to my FB Maine bank.

The Big Show / Re: DSH + DSC ?
« on: November 12, 2019, 09:48:56 AM »
Every crippled ds calf I've seen had a confirmed or possible PHA carrier parent.

The Big Show / Re: Melatonin\weight gain
« on: November 02, 2019, 04:59:35 PM »
I always liked to use a 1/4 to 1/2 acre or so paddock that I kept grazed down tight with heifers during the day. Good clean dry turf the steers could try to graze on, but really couldn't get any grass out of it. A lot of people use dirt lots that they keep loose and clean so it's soft on their joints as they get older after being penned up under fans all day. They definitely need to be let out to stretch and take advantage of the cooler temps, but you just can't let it affect the balance of the ration on the steers that are not packing the pounds on.

The Big Show / Re: Melatonin\weight gain
« on: November 02, 2019, 11:21:35 AM »
I was wondering if the steer had been held back for maturing reasons, to try to hit a certain show date, or if his weight was just a result of his actual ability.

Without knowing the calf, I guess I'd suggest giving him a more consistent routine. Finishing fats, be it in the real world or the show ring, is all about the details. Doing the exact same thing at the exact same time every day and making adjustments in small steps is always best. A steer does't need turned out into 7-10 acres. Assuming this is a grass paddock, he really doesn't need that either. Allowing him to have that forage source every other day is giving him the choice of what and when he eats and causing his rumen populations to fluctuate. The microbe populations used to process forage are not the same as the populations used to properly digest a high starch ration. You've got to build the population you want to use over time, which leads back to consistency being the key to pushing gains. Even the flakes of hay should only be given in an amount that's just enough to provide adequate scratch factor, rumen flow, and gut health.

Rinsing him 4 times a day could even be affecting his performance. Cattle naturally have a graze/rest cycle they establish throughout the day. It even fluctuates depending on the time of the year. You're replaced the graze with the bucket, but if you're getting him up to rinse too often, or at the wrong time, the rumen and the body in general aren't being allowed to settle into a proper somewhat natural routine.

Feeding cattle is a bit of an art form derived from a bunch of science. It's why so many "my steer won't eat" questions basically go unanswered online even though some very experienced feeders probably read the question. No mater how many hours of ruminant nutrition you've sit through or how many years you've read bunks in the real world, if you can't see the animal/routine in person you're often basically left making a wild ass guess.

The Big Show / Re: Melatonin\weight gain
« on: November 01, 2019, 10:01:56 AM »
What has led up to him only weighing 970 pounds at 16 months?

The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« on: October 25, 2019, 08:26:29 PM »
Oakview, your Draft Pick and Trampas bulls sent me down the bw epd rabbit hole.

Did Draft Pick throw calves anywhere near what his 7.9 bw epd says he should have? Guessing the two shots of Dreamboat, who is now an 11, made the epd calculator start to smoke.

On the other hand, would you consider Trampas to be calving ease? I see he's double bred Payoff, who is a 4 for bw, with two extra shots of Irish making him have at least 5 shots of Dividend/Leader. I've always been told Payoff was often used as a calving ease bull and even on cows that weren't exactly low bw animals. I've also generally been told he threw calves with smaller bone and an easy calving profile, but his 7 ced number doesn't really carve out that line of thought either. The epds on Trampas himself would tend to lead one toward that line of thought though.

I've watched the bw epd move around on some of my own bulls, especially right after turning in some interesting bw data, and often wondered if the system is overcompensating for things it can't begin to comprehend with some rather large assumptions.

The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« on: October 25, 2019, 11:36:15 AM »
There's a lot of good bulls from that era that are worth using. The problem is no one has told the new kids they're "good" and it's easier to sell "new & exciting" than old and proven in today's overly refreshing/updating world. From what I've seen, I'd rather use Pretender than HC but you can sell a HC based on the name being in the cool club way faster than the Pretender despite it being a better calf.

The current semen price seems to keep these bulls out of below average herds, and cows, so it's tough to get a feel for just how many good cows are carrying them to the finish line. I can't seem to get daughters out of either bull, but HC has been very inconsistent for me. I did keep one back, but she doesn't look like she'll be the cow her mother is. Evolution has been much more consistent here. His bull calves all look the same and they come early. Compared notes with two other long time breeders and they both had the same experiences.

I was hoping you'd get some responses to your frame post Weezie as there are people who will be looking to add frame, spine length, and milk in the near future. The era you've been mentioning had plenty of all three and some good bulls carrying those traits. I've gone through the semen tanks and picked out a few to use on my own smaller framed shorter spined ground sows that have been trending the last few years.

Bloodstone put one in the winners circle yesterday at the Royal that carried some frame over a couple of very good females that just lacked the shear size and mass the winner had. One of those females in particular was very very hard to poke a hole in other than she was simply more moderate. It's hard to believe this is even a suggestion considering how line bred the current herd is to them, but I'm surprised a few breeders haven't started injecting Trump and Rodeo Drive directly back into a few matings as well. Today's pot bellied heavy muscled Jersey trend has more than enough guts to carry a lot of the older bull's in that aspect.

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