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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2020, 04:35:46 PM »
Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well.


i don't think it's that.


i think it looks long because he's proportional, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2020, 05:18:28 PM »
Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well.



i don't think it's that.


i think it looks long because he's proportional, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.

Id agree with that for sure.  Hes a proportionally lengthy bull.  Appeared to be a good big longer than the other two bulls in pen of 3.

In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.


i've thought that for a very long time.  probably can't emphasize that enough.

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really liked bonanza and buster and major leroy and the diamond sparkle cow back in the day.

i can't remember which bull you had a bw problem with. but then you want more moderate cattle than all 3 of those can make.


Bonanza and Buster are functional beef cattle.  The other two you mention are much different type cattle. Ive used a Bonanza son (yy Cartwright: great daughters still have 5) a buster son from Oregon that if he wouldnt have broke his pecker would have got a lot more use and then Leroy son that was junk. Major Leroy said to be almost 2800lbs and has reports of 130 plus lb calves all over the globe.  The sparkle cow was over a ton and as open shouldered as you could make one.  This design along with the bw is just a nightmare combination.

I think the best cattle are all products of Saskvalley Ultra 12J, Bonanzas sire.  Traditions dam is a 12j daughter. Saskvalley Alamo bull that hung the moon for me that Ive since sold to Brock Eagon in Ohio was a linebred 12j out of a 12j daughter. Canadian CLRC used to show 12js influence in Alamo was over 30%.  SaskvalleyEditor bull I bought last year is a Banjo son. Banjos a 12j son and his dam goes to buster 14k. Saskvalley Stampede is 12j son.  Saskvalley Primo, sire of Cabrera, is a 12j son.  And Im sure Im missing many.  Look at the big sky bull JSF has been using, another bonanza son. Also at JsF, Bar N Ripper, whos sired by Remedy, another bonanza son. These are 5 frame cattle that do what cattlemen expect.

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2020, 06:00:30 PM »
Traits I definitely value.   Head small enough to make it out on its own.  Belly big enough to consume enough low quality forage to not starve to death in the pasture.   Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well. A really well balanced bull overall.  I watched the pen show from the house via live auctions tv and even as shitty as the picture quality was, the prominence of Times Square relative to his peers was clear.    I image just the possession side will cost a fella prolly 20 grand. Maybe more.

One thing for sure.   Saskvalley Tradition is a bull thats gotta be used more.  Thermal Energy, Wallstreet, and now this bull- Times Square.   

In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.

I noticed him as a stand out on the video as well and would like to try him on a few in the future, so I hope it's made available.

Totally different pedigree, but I think the bull you bought semen on in last night's sale is fairly underrated.

Ive always like Reincarnation. And most all the jazz sons really.   Plan to use those straws on my Roan Ranger replacement heifers. 

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2020, 08:20:35 PM »
My fave rave Canadian bulls are Buster 14K -complete outcross from what I can see-And Huberdale Mastercharge-I like the looks of JITS NEW bull he just has out-See how his calves come and if hes even available O0

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2020, 11:38:36 AM »
My fave rave Canadian bulls are Buster 14K -complete outcross from what I can see-And Huberdale Mastercharge-I like the looks of JITS NEW bull he just has out-See how his calves come and if hes even available O0
Huberdale Mastercharge was one of my favourite bulls back in the day. He was a senior herdsire at Saskvalley and shows up in the background of many of their cattle. He is in Saskvalley Ultra 12J's pedigree top and bottom. Saskvalley has done a great job of selecting cattle to suit a very rugged environment and the cattle they produce are sound and functional.

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2020, 07:28:19 AM »
Alamo has done great here. A few pics of calves just weaned. Pics were taken the day the were taken off the cow.
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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2020, 08:54:52 AM »
2 calves O0

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2020, 11:15:54 AM »
Alamo has done great here. A few pics of calves just weaned. Pics were taken the day the were taken off the cow.
That roan calf is impressive, should make someone a hell of a good bull! (clapping)

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2020, 03:32:49 PM »
Alamo sons averaged just shy of 10k in The Whos your daddy sale.  I dont know that theres ever been a sire represented in that sale whos sons have average more.

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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2020, 09:22:21 AM »
Alamo has done great here. A few pics of calves just weaned. Pics were taken the day the were taken off the cow.
That roan calf is impressive, should make someone a hell of a good bull! (clapping)

Thank you. I sure hope so. Plan is to sell him at Ohio Beef Expo. Getting paperwork done today
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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2020, 09:03:38 AM »
Didnt hear about many display bulls-which used to be a huge deal at Denver for awhile on the non commercial side But every year Shirleys shorthorns still shows up in the pen show  with the thickest cattle of any breed-most are plusses today-but credit where credit is due-commercial guys who also have good cows for 4 h calves buy those bulls every year Bottom Line made the best natured cattle around In 2003 me and Stuart Manchester bought a bull from them, but he got hurt and he had to put him down O0

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2020, 12:10:19 PM »
Why is that XBAR character allowed to remain on this site?
He talks the talk but has walked the walk! I think we have all become too used to 'watering down' the facts. We are becoming like politicians.
If you have a problem, voice your opinion, as long as you have data to back it up.
I have been disappointed in XBAR's sledging of JIT in a public forum though!
I believe you are the master of your own destiny, if you buy a bull that doesn't work for you, move on, don't sledge the breeder. You made the choice, don't blame the breeder!
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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2020, 06:01:06 PM »
You made the choice, dont blame the breeder.


Id agree with your conclusion provided the customer is privileged to one specific idealized condition- that condition being perfect information, also known as no hidden information.

Perfect information can only exist if the seller most accurately informs the buyer as to the characteristics of the product, up to and including all the events that have previously occurred. Here, that would be the good, the bad, and the ugly associated with the particular genetics in question.

While theres always going to be some element of chance, such as breaking a leg or getting struck by lightning etc, that will exists as a risk to the buyer, the risk or negative outcome incurred as a result of imperfect information -ie hidden information- should be placed solely with the producer.  When there are representations that omit important information that is intended to purposefully mislead the buyer, the only responsible/liable party is the seller.

More than anything what I hope to have accomplished is bringing additional information to the table in an attempt to offset the power imbalance created by a salesman over 2000 miles away whos only willing to provide rose-colored imperfect information. 

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2020, 10:22:37 PM »
Man, I sure wish this post was about 2020 Denver Bulls!   >:(

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Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2020, 06:10:49 AM »
Amen-I also wish we had all those cool videos to view like Cattle.com used to create  O0

 

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