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We just arrived home from a trip to Billings, MT, where we brought Touchdown home from Genex Hawkeye West. This was the third trip I have made in the past 3 weeks with the stock trailer on the truck. We have been delivering bulls and picking our herd bulls up from studs and we logged just short of 5000 miles and were in 8 states and 2 provinces. I'm down to 3 bulls left to deliver and they are going within 100 miles of home, so they will be short day trips.

On  our first trip to Southern Illinois, I told my wife Chris, that she would see mostly black cattle on the trip. We did see lots of black cattle in pastures, however, I was thinking that I did not see as many as I normally have seen. I thought it might just be my imagination. When we left here for Billings a couple days ago, I again mentioned this to Chris, that it will be wall to wall black cattle to Billings and back. By the time we had made a couple hundred miles, Chris said " I thought you said that all we would see was black cattle?"  I had noticed it as well, as we were seeing lots of red herds, some Hereford herds, and some Charolais herds, and even one herd that had obvious Shorthorn influence by the numbers of roans in the herd. By the time we got back to the Canadian border, I was a bit surprised by the numbers of non black cattle we had seen. ( Of course, we were only seeing a small fraction of the American cow herds on these trips, and they were all along some major highways).I have made this trip many times over the years, and I would say there has been a major shift to more non black cattle,  Chris said that she thought that over half the herds we saw were non black on the trip to Billings. I'm thinking she was high on her estimation,but I would guess the non black herds would have been in the 35-40 % range. Another observation was that I saw more Hereford herd bulls on this trip than on any trip through this part of Montana ever before. We also saw lots of Red Angus, polled Hereford, Gelbvieh, Charolais as well as quite a few Longhorn bulls ( obviously for use on heifers)

I know we have beat this color issue almost to death on SP previously, but I have been wondering about our observations since getting back home. If the black hide color is worth such a premium in the US marketplace, why are we seeing so many herds of non black cattle? Why did we see so many pastures with lots of non black herd sires? ( don't take me wrong, as we saw lots of black bulls on grass as well, but my point is that we saw what I estimate to be a huge increase in non black herd sires)  Maybe someone can answer another question that popped into my pea brain as we were driving, that being, do all cattle that qualify for the CAB program have to be solid black or would black baldys fit the program as well? I seem to think that they need to be solid black, but I am not 100% sure of this. Are some of larger ranchers in this business starting to look past the color barrier and if so, why would they do this if thre are such huge discounts on non  black cattle?

One more observation was that we had dinner at a high end steak establishment in Billings on Thursday evening, and they proudly proclaimed on their menu that they only served Certified Angus beef. I understand fully that some mistakes will happen, but the steak I was served was without any doubt the worst piece of fried shoe leather I have experienced in  a few decades. Seriously, I could have held the CAB program at ransom with it. Chris said her steak was fine but the one I had was far worse than ordinary. It was almost impossible to chew and if it had not been covered in steak spice, it would have had no flavour at all. I am not a person who complains about food placed in front of me, and I would normally suffer through a poor meal before I would make a scene, but I did comment on this steak. I told them that I felt that they should know that my steak was extremely poor quality and that I did not want them to cook me another one, nor did I want  a discount. When i got the bill they had not charged me for my meal.
I just thought I would toss out my observations and see if others are seeing similar things . All I know, is  that I have not seen as many non black cattle in the state of Montana in several decades.

Well as for CAB, the animals have to grade average choice or better and have a 10-16in ribeye. Now for color we had a guy come in and talk in one of my classes about dairy cattle and genomics. Long story short in order to be CAB they have to be 50% angus and at least 51% black so they can have some white on them

Long story short in order to be CAB they have to be 50% angus and at least 51% black so they can have some white on them

It has to be 51% black, but I would guess that not all CAB is at least 50% Angus.   

i guess it would be at the top end if it was grass fed and i've never had a grassfed steak that resembled choice, though they are out there, but are older carcasses, and need to be hung for a while.

You are probably correct, as a whole lot of cattle will not grade on grass  a whole lot of grass finishers haven't learned the trade well enough to deliver a quality product.  However, I can tell you that all of the grass fed steak that I've ever seen either has graded USDA choice or it probably would've graded USDA Choice if it had been graded.  I've also heard that some grass fed beef is a bit "gamey" tasting and/or tough, but I have yet to encounter either.  I can tell you that by far the best steak that I have eaten in a long, long, long time, was grass fed steak.  I simply almost can't eat steak at a resturant anymore because as JIT said... "it's tasteless".  I've got a customer in Henderson, KY who can't say enough good things about the grass fed heart & liver that he's gotten from me.  He's eaten lots of it over the years & he claims that this is by far the best that he's ever had.  I can say with 100% certainty, the difference between quality beef & junk totally depends upon the genetics being used & what those genetics consume.  That will hold true whether you are talking about grain fed or grass fed.          

Color of the hide is only a personal perference thing.  It means absolutely nothing when it comes to measuring quality.  I raise Lowline Black Angus & crosses, but to say that black cattle are superior to everything else, is nothing more than a bunch of silly marketing hype.  JMHO.      

In regards to quality of eating experience, the packing companies are encouraging cattle feeders to use the beta-agonists prior to slaughter.  This surely does not enhance the tenderness of the meat. 

My comment on beta-agonist deals with (I believe) their effect on tenderness of beef.  The line that the manufacturers use is that beta-agonists do have a detectable, yet "not statistically significant" effect on tenderness and consumer acceptance.  Beta-agonists do have a great effect on lean meat yield.  It appears that Zilmax has a greater lean muscle response than Optaflex, and it also appears to have more (negative) effect on tenderness.  In the past, when fed cattle numbers were more plentiful, packers generally poo pooed these products, as well as more aggressive implant programs.  Today, they actively encourage their use in this part of the world. 

To be CAB the hide has to be at least 51% black as previoulsy posted, however it doesn't have to be angus!  The fact is the whole program is based around the 51% black and certain quality and yield grades for each animal to meet.  So soon as a animal meets these color and grade requirements it is CAB no matter what it was before.  We have hauled a few trailers of holsteins out to U.S. Premium in Dodge CIty and a chunk went CAB, we've had longhorn cross calves that went CAB although they didn't have horns but they were white with black spots.  I think CAB started out with the idea of being strictly Angus based and more of a quality program that would bring more customers to the angus breed but it seems to have lost its way?

I will agree with the heterosis comment, it seems everybody has a breed of cattle they like and are just looking for another breed to compliment it with.

The answer to your ? Justintime, is yes you are seeing things!