Author Topic: Angus Question (Read 9028 times)

Aussie · « **on:** July 25, 2010, 09:21:49 PM »

With so many knowledgeable people on the list and many of them angus breeders I was wanting to know why the bull TC Stockman 2164http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=22342A3D&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5D5A5B592259232726 was not used much in the states. He has had a huge influence in the Australian herd although not in the mold of todays "fad" angus is still a great bull. Big calves easily born, great females and very saleable bulls. Thanks for any replies.

Aussie · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2010, 09:31:15 PM »

A typical 2164 daughter

Cattledog · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2010, 09:45:12 PM »

My guess is because a paternal brother named TC Stockman 365 was around and was very popular. A lot of really good females were sired by him and he has also sired some influential bulls. Northern Improvement is a notable sire.

Aussie · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2010, 09:59:08 PM »

Quote from: Cattledog on July 25, 2010, 09:45:12 PM

My guess is because a paternal brother named TC Stockman 365 was around and was very popular. A lot of really good females were sired by him and he has also sired some influential bulls. Northern Improvement is a notable sire.

Yes 365 was used here to but 2164 has had more to offer with a touch more frame and more style.

Cattledog · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2010, 10:13:45 PM »

Quote from: Aussie on July 25, 2010, 09:59:08 PM

Quote from: Cattledog on July 25, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
My guess is because a paternal brother named TC Stockman 365 was around and was very popular. A lot of really good females were sired by him and he has also sired some influential bulls. Northern Improvement is a notable sire.
Yes 365 was used here to but 2164 has had more to offer with a touch more frame and more style.

I've never seen any calves out of him so I'm kind of making blind stabs. His BW EPD is pretty high. I know you say that his calves are born easily but that number probably scared quite a few people away. One of the things that made 365 so popular is that he was easier calving than his sire. I personally liked the old TC Stockman calves. Those were some of the most powerful calves at that time.

Aussie · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2010, 10:28:36 PM »

Yes his BW epd is very but like I said they are a good shape and although not a hfr bull they come easy very smooth shoulder. Another daughter

BadgerFan · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2010, 08:07:18 AM »

Quote from: Aussie on July 25, 2010, 09:21:49 PM

With so many knowledgeable people on the list and many of them angus breeders I was wanting to know why the bull TC Stockman 2164http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=22342A3D&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5D5A5B592259232726 was not used much in the states. He has had a huge influence in the Australian herd although not in the mold of todays "fad" angus is still a great bull. Big calves easily born, great females and very saleable bulls. Thanks for any replies.

Because there are lots of good bulls out there. Not all of them get used as much as they should and some get used more than they should. It takes a perfect storm for a bull to really hit the big time.

RR#2 Cattle Co · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2010, 08:15:39 AM »

Nice looking proven bull, but with Freestate Barbara in the pedigree I doubt too many knowledgeable breeders would want to use him now. Was this one of the bulls the Aussie's focused on when evaluating Fawn Calf?

Show Heifer · « **Reply #8 on:** July 26, 2010, 09:00:17 AM »

No Glenstory, the "official list" is not out, so according to the aaa, barbara is nothing more than an angus cow! And even if SHE is, doesn't mean HE is.... gotta have that test.
Those that are "in the know" say today is the day... maybe a bit of "slipped information" but we will see!

deedub · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2010, 10:37:55 AM »

i have wonderd the same thing but he gets used a lot in wv

Aussie · « **Reply #10 on:** July 26, 2010, 04:41:56 PM »

Quote from: Glenstory on July 26, 2010, 08:15:39 AM

Nice looking proven bull, but with Freestate Barbara in the pedigree I doubt too many knowledgeable breeders would want to use him now. Was this one of the bulls the Aussie's focused on when evaluating Fawn Calf?

No this is not one of the suspect bulls. Here is a link to an article I posted a few weeks ago with the known carriers http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/336944/Congenital-contractural-arachnodactyly-in-Angus-cattle.pdf

oakie · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2010, 05:24:41 PM »

He wouldn't work for my cows because (imo, not trying to offend) he has a big shoulder, short neck, I don't like his tailhead, he has a wastey throat, and he just looks too short legged to me. My own opinion, take it with a grain of salt, but I think he would make better commercial cattle than show cattle, like if you crossed them to a simmental, or something like that. I don't know what the shipping price is to ship seman overseas, but I am guessing that that is the reason that bull is not advertised over here (or at least I haven't seen him).

DL · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »

The FCS (now called CA) list is on the AAA web site
http://www.angus.org/pub/CA/CA_Summary.pdf

Aussie · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2010, 07:02:53 PM »

Quote from: oakie on July 26, 2010, 05:24:41 PM

He wouldn't work for my cows because (imo, not trying to offend) he has a big shoulder, short neck, I don't like his tailhead, he has a wastey throat, and he just looks too short legged to me. My own opinion, take it with a grain of salt, but I think he would make better commercial cattle than show cattle, like if you crossed them to a simmental, or something like that. I don't know what the shipping price is to ship seman overseas, but I am guessing that that is the reason that bull is not advertised over here (or at least I haven't seen him).

Oakie no offence taken but it is a crap photo of him and all you have said about him is the opposite to what he thows. Big calves born easy = smooth shoulder long neck. The bull him self is a massize 1300+kg frame 7.5 so that is why his legs look short. Sired many all bred champs around Aust. Any way thanks for the feedback

oakie · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2010, 07:13:34 PM »

My point was he is more commercial than showy. Nothing wrong with that and not trying to insult you, but you asked and I answered.

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