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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2014, 07:26:40 PM »
has everyone stopped beating their chests?


i proved a negative the other day.


it gave me a positive feeling.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2014, 07:31:58 PM »
There may be other packers taking the cattle but it would sure be a scramble to find them at this point in the game.  It may be that Tyson owns all the smaller plants where the county fair steers go for the carcass contests.  I do not know the answer to that.


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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2014, 07:53:56 PM »
The one and only reason this or any sale barn would post this is simply to tell you ahead of time that if you bring your finished show steers here they are going to sell well below the prices you see quoted for fat cattle.  Don't say we didn't warn you. 

No sale barn likes club calves.  I've heard that same line from many other barn owners (all small ones) - don't bring your club calves here.  Then they wonder why you stop bringing them anything.  You're not getting my best stuff if you don't want to sell the rest.  It's all a cover their arse deal, because they don't want to hear sellers complain that their calves brought less than average. 

We've fed showmaxx in the past, we've eaten beef that's been fed showmaxx.  I'm not saying the USDA is infallible, but they did approve it.  I'm less afraid to eat beef that I know has been fed USDA approved supplements correctly than I am to eat something that came from Wal Mart that came from heaven knows where before that.  We don't feed it now because it didn't live up to the hype IMO.  And it's a bonus that I know that if I need to sell the steers myself that people like to hear that they're free from that kind of thing.

Several years ago we had 3 steers left after OYE and couldn't get a kill date anywhere around here for nearly 3 months.  My uncle fed all his own steers, and sold them through Tyson, so I called his buyer. He said sure, take them out next week.  When I got there, the guy I was to talk to when I got there laughed at me - he said I show steers, I know.  No show steer is fat enough for this deal.  I said you haven't seen these.  He said it doesn't matter - no show steer works here.  I left them and sweated for 3 days.  On the 4th day I got my check.  The Hereford graded prime, both black steers graded high choice and went CAB.  I can't recall the exact numbers now, but they brought about 25% more than most were getting for the steers on the rail at home.  Even after that, I have no desire to go back.  I understand that show steers are a very small portion of their supply and that they can choose not to take them if they want.  I really believe that their reasons have less to do with actual food safety than with public perception - aka profits.  If it's necessary for their export markets I guess that's okay, but if you'll recall all this started with videos of crippled up cattle (supposedly caused by zilmax) that had the animal rights activists up in arms.  Whether it's all of why Tyson chose to refuse zilmax fed cattle, it's pretty hard to believe that appeasing them didn't have something to do with it.
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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2014, 08:01:37 PM »
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it's pretty hard to believe that appeasing them didn't have something to do with it.
I think that is the real answer to the whole deal.



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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2014, 09:26:44 PM »
I don't worry too much about what the chicken molesters at Tyson think.  I still question the truth behind the story from that sale barn.  If there's any truth, it's likely a guy at Tyson and not "Tyson".  That sale barn would be considered a piss ant in Tx.  400 head runs?  And their proud of it?  Maybe its a time of year thing.

XBAR - let go of the conspiracy theories.  Plot the average human lifespan and use of all these bad chemical modern ag use over time.  You'll see a pretty strong positive correlation.

If that many steers test positive for drugs up north, I guess our crooked Tex/Ok steer jocks are a lot better than their yankee counterparts.  Our steers in Tx have been getting drug tested  for 20 yrs.  We get great prices for our Zilmaxed up show steers that get put on the truck at our majors.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2014, 09:49:16 PM »
You can do a web search on Tyson not buying cattle fed Zilmax, they made an announcement about a year ago that they would suspend the purchase of cattle that had been fed Zilmax.

I haven't seen anything where they have resumed buying cattle fed Zilmax.

http://farmfutures.com/story-tyson-meats-refuses-buy-zilmax-fed-cattle-0-101189

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2014, 10:10:08 PM »
I know full well about the Zilmax ban from Tyson.  Zilmax hasn't been available for nearly a year.  I question the prevalence of it in show steers going to slaughter right now.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2014, 08:44:25 AM »
this email came from State 4H last night at 10:47 pm

2014 State Fair 4-H Beef of Merit Exhibitors:
IMPORTANT MESSAGE: Cattle that have been fed Zilmax or Showmaxx, two common product names for the component zilpaterol hydrochloride, will not be able to be harvested by Tyson.
If you are exhibiting in the 4-H Beef of Merit show at this year's Iowa State Fair, you MUST NOT have fed your animal these components or they will not be allowed to load the truck to Tyson, and therefore, will not receive carcass data for extra premiums.
4-H Beef of Merit exhibitors will be required to fill out a newly, updated Beef Animal Disclosure Statement (Drug Affidavit) on the 4-H State Fair Livestock website and bring that with them filled out and signed to check-in at the fair.  Look for the "Updated July 2014" header on the form to be sure you have the right one!
In addition to the current rule about not accepting animals fed zilpaterol products, Tyson received two positive initial drug test results from 4-H animals in recent weeks at county fairs.  Therefore, they are tightening their policy and restrictions on buying 4-H animals.  So much so, that the Tyson plant in Denison, Iowa will NOT take ANY 4-H animals.  The 2014 State Fair Beef of Merit steers will now have to be transported and processed at the Tyson plant in Dakota City, Nebraska.  This also includes many of the county fairs in Iowa that are a part of the Tri-County Steer Classic carcass program through the management of Darrell Busby.
The Iowa 4-H program cannot stress enough the importance of our FSQA (Food Safety & Quality Assurance Program), and the importance of following drug/treatment withdrawal times. This is a real-world example of certain actions by youth/families for not abiding by drug withdrawal times and/or using illegal substances, that affects everyone involved.
Thank you for your cooperation and see you at the fair!
Mike Anderson
State 4-H Livestock Program Specialist
State Fair 4-H Livestock Superintendent

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2014, 09:05:12 AM »
Interesting topic!  I know that when I was on our local county fair board we had to deal with getting someplace to take the market pigs due to the same instances of drug residues. 

I think that these county, small and even state shows are going to have to think outside the box-- I see a door closing, but a window opening.  Get together with all your 4-H and FFA clubs before going into next year and look at alternative fair sale market avenues-- the first thing that comes to my mind is-- kids get 100% buyers for their product- not just premium buyers-- get your local lockers involved on if they are interested in setting up a system to collect these cattle.  This could be a good opportunity for kids to learn from birth to plate-- if they have to represent their project to a potential buyer that is going get the calf and have that calf on their plate!  The Showmaxx and Zilmax calves can be represented as such and then it is up to the buyer to decide if they want to eat a feed additive calf or wait for the next calf in the ring that did not get Showmaxx or Zilmax.  We need to learn disclosure and standing behind that disclosure.
 The Last year my son showed a market steer-- we had to find the final home for that calf-- it wasn't that hard-- we marketed that we had beef for sale at the end of July and sold that guy to a couple of people as halves.  This was not because of feed additives, but our fair has a rule- that comes from the packers-- that any calf weighing in over 1500 pounds at the fair can't go to the packer.  We knew that going in when the project started in January.  We knew he was going to be big and planned ahead for it.   We did not get to go into the premium sale, but we knew that and made up for any premium by selling as halves at meat price.

I am glad that when I do feed out calves I keep it simple:  Corn and protein supplement that has no additives.  With today's genetics--  we shouldn't need fancy stuff-- my opinion.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2014, 09:13:04 PM »
Your comments are all very interesting to me as a mom of kids who show steers, as a beef producer and consumer, as a fair board representative, etc. You know, we show steers because my husband uses some of the money from selling the steers at the 4-H sale to pay the feed bill. The kids get the rest of the money. We also show heifers however, to build a better cow herd for the kids. I don't discount that this is disappointing news from Tyson with potential short term and long term effects to the show cattle industry and the beef industry itself. But I am wondering, how many of you show steers just so you can sale them at the end of the season? Would you simply quit showing steers if your only option after show season was to butcher him and put him in your freezer? I'm not trying to be *itchy, I'm truly curious. My guess is that most of you would show steers no matter what.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2014, 01:04:01 AM »
i could be wrong but from what i understand is that alot of feed lots feed Zilmax to their steers. I was told by a few different people that the amount of yield gained is making them more money compared to how much the Zilmax costs.(estimated 35 lbs extra of hanging weight on every steer so at $2 per lb it has made them extra money because the bulk price is about $30 per calf) I have a friend who worked for a feed lot that every animal there was on so much Zilmax they looked stupid. I dont know how true all this really is but it was from some people i would trust their word.
Now if it is true and alot of feed lots feed it why is the show world and show jocks being brought into this. The way i understood it is basically every steak or beef product you buy at a store such as walmart was fed Zilmax.
Does any one know if this is true and if alot of feed lots feed it. i find it hard to believe only one would and that its the one my friend happened to work at.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2014, 08:27:18 PM »
All the comments are focused on Zilmax, but if you re-read the announcement, it says "tested positive for antibiotics and/or zilmax". 
And again, maybe labeling rules were not followed via the show calves vs. feed lot calves. I do not know but that could be the case.

Zilmax is not cheap, so I doubt it is over used in a large operation.  I would compare it to round-up or 2-4D.  A golf course uses them at a much higher dose than a 10,000 acre farmer.  (Might be a bad comparison, but hopefully you guys get the idea.)

The money holder (Tyson) makes the rules. Follow them or be excluded (no money/no buyers).  It really isn't complicated.


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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2014, 09:45:01 AM »
Zilmax has been off the market for awhile. Tyson, Cargill, and JBS have all  came out and said they will not accept cattle being fed Zilmax (not sure about National they might have too). So the statement about the feedlots feeding it would be false. Unless they had a bunch stored up before it got pulled off the market and are not selling to Tyson, Cargill, or JBS. The reason these three stopped taking cattle fed Zilmax was due to the "animal welfare" issues supposedly identified prior. Another reason was the export market to certain countries would no longer accept cattle being fed Zilmax and at the ports of these countries they would test for it. 

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2014, 11:02:45 AM »
Its probably an unfounded fear.....but I would be scared to death to eat a show steer.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: Announcement from Tyson Foods
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2014, 11:19:20 AM »
Its probably an unfounded fear.....but I would be scared to death to eat a show steer.


not unfounded. been saying it for years. it's probably ok to buy a lower placing one, but then it probably won't be fat, which is ok. one can probably ask the butcher to hang the carcass for an extended period of time.

 

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