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Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« on: October 11, 2012, 11:53:07 AM »
Would prefer a Dream On Outcross.

Other than the Gunner/ Top Gun lines are there any good onese out there?  Also what do you think of either Gunner or Top Gun calves?

I of course like Mack but would prefer not to pay $200 on anything completely unproven at this point.

 

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 01:17:08 PM »
You may want to consider Red Iron.  He is a 2007 model red bull that is a complete outcross to Dream On and is very moderate and thick.  He is an ABS bull.  A bunch of the heifers in Kris Black's sale this year were bred to Red Iron.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 02:21:10 PM »
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

I like Red Iron and WS Beef Maker - but both go back to Legacy G151 on the top side, just 2 or 3 generations back; G151 is Dream On's sire, so I don't know that I'd call either of them an 'outcross' to Dream On.
Beef Maker gets the nod from me for slightly higher WW, higher Mrb/REA, and better API/TI values - but I'm a commercial producer, not interested in the showring.
Currently using a hetero black son of Shear Force, Hooks Pharoah 16P on some heifers; no red calves yet, but it's a 25-50% possibility.

Still have a soft spot in my heart for the Fleckvieh cattle - would still use Sir Arnold G809, if I had the semen.  The Big Sky bull at ABS brings some Fleckvieh influence(Siegfried) to the mix, and would work here.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 03:31:50 PM »
Very limited sample size, but I like our Beefmakers.  The handful of Top Gun's that we've had are just not pretty enough for me.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 04:19:52 PM »
Beef maker vs Red Iron....Beef maker seems to have a slight edge in the epd category, but red Iron seems to be right there with him in a smaller frame?? Anybody use them both that cares to compare calves?

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2013, 05:48:42 PM »
Own a beef maker son for a herd bull and all but one of our Simmental bulls in our sale are sons of him.  Love my Beef Makers.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2013, 07:01:30 PM »
Not quite 2 months ago, we trashed over 100 straws of red Simmental semen that's been accumulated over the past 20 years.  I could give you names and codes if you want for a good starting place with something older than current.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2013, 07:40:06 PM »
I have two straws of Red Reality, guess it's been 5+ yrs since we bred anything to him.  I have a red Built Rigt daughter who just calved and I'm thinking of breeding her to him.

Any thoughts on Red Reality?

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 05:27:56 PM »
Any other good Red sires out there?

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 05:58:36 PM »
I hate to sound like a broken record but I'll do it anyway. I own part interest in this upcoming red Simmental bull, Hook's Yukon 80Y. Top 2% API and top 1% TI. I attached a picture of him and his dam at 10 years old.
ASA #: 2612543
 His semen should be available through Select Sires soon.
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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 07:13:23 PM »
An up and comer and half sibling to Yukon Hooks expectation 36x.  He is a bull that I may use as a heifer bull for years if he keeps headed in the right direction.


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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 08:32:36 AM »
LN, those are some great EPD's on that bull. Congrats.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 04:35:53 PM »
I think this guy may be another son of Beefmaker-but I think he"s cool looking-and one of the owners posted some good calves out of his first crop. O0

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2013, 10:41:16 AM »
Saw a lot of good Red Iron calves.

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Re: Any thoughts on Red Simmental Bulls out there
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2013, 01:01:16 AM »
Here is a solid red Polled Fleckvieh bull with good EPD that merits some attention: http://www.yankeecreekranch.com/bulls/Yankee-Neon.html
Note that Yankee Neon is homo Polled and is an outcross to all domestic bloodlines-period.

 

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