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ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« on: May 24, 2009, 08:42:58 PM »
Right or wrong, I really like the OCC and DUFF type angus lines.  My new goal is to have a herd of SHORTHORN cows that resembles the DUFF Donor line up on their website.  Which Shorthorn bloodlines would I have use to reach this, likely very long term, goal?  Thanks

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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 08:48:04 PM »
Head to Alberta, Canada and talk to Robert and Ken Morison at Eionmor Shorthorns.  You will find what you are looking for in volume.  They have a pretty good website.  Google Eionmor Shorthorns and I think you will be able to find it.

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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 09:01:42 PM »
 They are some tremendous cows at Duff's. Right off the bat, one cow that phenotypically reminds me of that is CF Roan Sue.
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 09:15:50 PM »
Head to Alberta, Canada and talk to Robert and Ken Morison at Eionmor Shorthorns.  You will find what you are looking for in volume.  They have a pretty good website.  Google Eionmor Shorthorns and I think you will be able to find it.
I can agree with that.  I bought 5 heifers this spring in their sale.  The heifer in my profile picture is one of them.  I also have an Eionmor Ultra 8C daughter that is almost exactly what I am wanting to breed.  Thanks.

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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 09:57:58 PM »
I agree go to canada. 
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2009, 10:08:36 PM »
They are some tremendous cows at Duff's. Right off the bat, one cow that phenotypically reminds me of that is CF Roan Sue.
I can agree with that also.  As far as pictures go, Roan Sue is the perfect example of a Shorthorn version of Duff cattle.  That is one of my favourite pictures.  I almost bid on the Major Leroy embryos out of her Charmer daughter in the Frozen in Time Sale.  I was just a little worried that the Trump/Charmer cross might not be as easy fleshing as I would want.  Although Leroy would have added a lot of fleshing ability.  But yes, that picture of Roan Sue, if she were red, is exactly what I want to breed.  Thanks

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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2009, 11:05:12 PM »
Ohlde's did breed up a set of Shorthorns that were phenotypically very similiar to their Angus.  Not sure if they have any of them left now - I know Dustin Glover bought a group of those cows when he bought into Jakes Proud Jazz, and I believe Griswolds may have gotten a few Shorthorn cows when they bought the big set of Ohlde Angus cows.  It might be worthwhile to check with those folks if that's what you're after...
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 12:54:15 AM »
Here is one of our donors that I think meets the criteria you are looking for. She is New Beginning's Elsie's Jade. She is a Canadian bred cow and we have not been able to keep embryos from her as there is a waiting list for them. We now have two full sisters and two daughters that are also in our ET program so we should be able to meet the demand for embryos from this line now.
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 07:05:36 AM »
      Ive traveled quite a bit, there are also some real sows at Eldon Millers. (QUESTING HILLS IOWA), and Farrer Stock Farms.Indiana, they are 2 of the few herds that have blacks running with them,that look alot like them. There arent alot of larger framed really atout cows that I have seen, the ones that look the part (to me) are more clubby.

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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 09:18:47 AM »
The only shorthorn cows that ever resembled the OCC cows were some of the "OLDER" cows from Don and Pat Stout's herd down in Kremlin,Okla.The only problem with them is that they were taller ground sows.I really like that roan cow that is pictured on the previous post.
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 09:40:59 AM »
I always cringe when we as shorthorns try an compare shorthorn cattle to ohlde's say anchor bull. Most of are showring cattle always have bigger framed cattle in their pedigree. There are so many 1400-2,000 pound Shorthorn cows out there. I to would like to lean toward a moderate sow cow like ohldes in the Shorthorn breed. It's hard to find those genetics. I would think that bulls like gizmo,jakes proud jazz, leader 21, and bulls like that would be a step in the right direction. I think we need cattle that grow fast...get there in a hurry then stop growing. We need cattle that show masculinity at a earlier age. I just hate to see those 1600# Shorthorn cows out there. I wish we had a herd out there that didn't chase the frame size craze. I wish I hadn't of. A herd that that breed straight beef cattle through the 70's, 80's, and 90's would be a genetic goldmine in my opinion. I don't think there is one. This is why breeds need genetic diversity within breeds and not have everybody breeding "me too cattle". Wasn't Ohlde,"on a island" with his cattle for years. He didn't chase frame and performance epd's and bred cattle that looked like "Angus".
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 12:09:16 PM »
Ohlde's did breed up a set of Shorthorns that were phenotypically very similiar to their Angus.  Not sure if they have any of them left now - I know Dustin Glover bought a group of those cows when he bought into Jakes Proud Jazz, and I believe Griswolds may have gotten a few Shorthorn cows when they bought the big set of Ohlde Angus cows.  It might be worthwhile to check with those folks if that's what you're after...

I visited Ohlde's about this time last year and they still have a good set of shorties. 
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 01:14:13 PM »
Tim Ohlde has ALWAYS been ahead of the eight ball. He is not only one of the best breeders today,he is one of the best of all time.Moderate frame cows that have good growth and MILK is the key.Several years ago he was the only one that could raise a show steer to 1260 lbs.have him finished and be 14 months old. The Duff cattle,that are extremely popular now are loaded with OCC genetics. Griswolds have tons of OCC genetics,Collins Cattle Co. has Ohlde genetics,along with Dean Kephart. Kephart also had Ohlde's Amerifax cows. Collins and Griswold also have the old Spur Emulous Master bloodlines that originated at the Corbin Ranch in Tishomingo, Okla. The Ohlde cattle were created with the same philosophy. They are absolutely the finest Angus genetics that there is for crossbreeding certain Simmy and Maine blood. Even the Gardiners who I firmly believe have ruined the Angus breed have incorporated Emblazon and others into their breeding program.Some folks can't even tell you what kind of "Angus" or "Maine" blood they have. They just say Oh!! she is a Maine /Angus cross or Sim/Angus cross.I'm here to tell you it makes a difference what Maine/Angus or Sim/Angus bloodlines you have. GENETICS is the name of the game.Unless you learn and understand how to crossbreed,and not only for certain characteristics you can't be to successful. If you get the right blood matched up, your successes will come sooner,with better results.
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 05:36:50 PM »
I've been through those Ohlde cattle at Glovers several times and seen a lot of great calves at their side - brought a few home with me as well. You should visit his herd sometime - you will be impressed.
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 10:16:15 PM »
Here is one of our donors that I think meets the criteria you are looking for. She is New Beginning's Elsie's Jade. She is a Canadian bred cow and we have not been able to keep embryos from her as there is a waiting list for them. We now have two full sisters and two daughters that are also in our ET program so we should be able to meet the demand for embryos from this line now.
This cow sure looks the part aswell.  And I think Captain Mark blood would help get me where I am going.  I might like your Sparkle donor better though.  How do they compare frame wise?  At the time of the Frozen in Time sale I decided that, in my little dream world, my herd sire in 5 years would be a Sonny out of the unborn Venture out of Sparkle.  My favourite cow I have right now is a Schrag cow that is a Sonny out of a Venture.  He seemed to have good luck with that cross.  And add Sparkle to that and we could have something pretty special.

 

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