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I didn't look up their numbers to see if they have been tested or not, but they all have a potential for being a carrier of either DS or TH or both. With that being said, I would make sure I bred them to something clean.
 They are all out of good cow families and could produce you some show heifers that will become good cows. For me the one that I like the best is the Sable.
 If you didn't mind spending the money then I would breed them to Evolution ($100/straw). If not, then a Hot Commodity son.
 Another bull that I really liked at NAILE was Millbrook Fireball that Jason Newcom bought and is selling semen on. ($50/straw).
 Also, nice group of cows and welcome to Steerplanet.

I would breed them to either Hill Haven Firestorm 28C or his Son Millbrook Fireball 23F can�t go wrong either way. Backed by the best cow families in Canada and there producing sound functional cattle that are winning in the show ring and producing as mature females. Both sexes have been awesome here out of both bulls with no calving issues.

People like Matt in California, OHLDES CAL POLY etc  and everybody before they knew about it have linebred proud jazz FOR YEARS or bred to DS cattle and never seen a DS calf-In fact Ive never seen one. So it does not seem to be the next plague AJ had so much fun with. Unless a DS with PHA animal is bred to a DS animal Even a DS Homozygous bred to DS rarely has produced cripples according to a breeder I know who bred that way Maybe the clearest definition in academic-understandable terms was made by X BAR-I just dont remember the thread now-Not saying its foolproof just extremely low probability- BUT I AM SAYING I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE BWS OF THE BREEDING ON FIRESTORM-AND ESPECIALLY WACO I wish there were a bull that looked as good as Firestorm I could use-but even my below 0 bw Jazz out of a .05 Bw impact Shaker g daughter going back another 26 years to Deertrail countess in (3) 0 BW generations would not be predictable enough for that pedigree-I HAVE DEALT WITH A NUMBER OF TRAINWRECKS and admit to every ONE-And I know a good bit from observing these cattle about every animal listed there as younger breds.I used and produced some very big bulls in the day and those BWS just dont go away in one generation. Thats genetics overall though not "genetic dirt per se" I always seem to address that because nobody other than X Bar , Brock and JIT  seem to relate to cattle that may have been shown but are safe for non show ring people or commercial people to use Stecks recent breeding comes from Steck Mckees and Vogels for the most part and stand at the very top of the breed with the same tired worn out overrated AND NOT VERY WELL DOCUMENTED myrtal beau Solution ET- ALS JMO-there need to be some good REAL outcross genetics or at least 75% new on the going on 20 plus years pedigrees Steck had a sale of some of these cattle where he just ran them from the field into a yard mud and all-They are functional cattle and sold well because they work in normal to tuff conditions what you see is what you get

You are preaching to the Choir Medium Rare

I wish I could say I've had the same experiences as many others claim to have with HC. I've bred him to several heifers based on that reputation and it's bit me multiple times. Each time he didn't remove enough bone and went long on gestation. When I look at those calves, I can see a couple of the bulls back in his pedigree.

I do have a really nice bull calf by him out of a first calf heifer that looks special, and a cane or two of semen left, so it's not that I don't like the bull or plan to use him in the future but I'm done using him on heifers. It must just be my roll of the dice because every heifer breeding question you read on the internet says, "just breed her to HC".

I agree with what you have there Doc-Particularly the heifer bulls-The ones you listed also have some performance-Which I still think that combo narrows down the CE deal field quite a bit-EG :CE Marketable-and Growth along with  quality There are a lot of really cool looking show cattle that are lined up with known hard calving genetics-and that comes home to roost. The Red Demand into Reward and sons-Hot Commodity and SOME of his sons dependent upon the dam JMO can fix things that really need it. Once again-Creole and Gizmo like it or not With the Gizmo influence only working on much bigger cattle-along with Proud Jazz- With Outsider being the biggest bull thats popular (going back to Jazz) and gaining a bunch of steam As stated the highest performing bull ive ever used is Fresh Air Though they go through grow with stages where they are unrecognizable and terrible-His dam was certainly the biggest Proud Jazz who ever came about-Couldnt resist a picture-she ended up 1900 pounds mature and could raise 3 calves if you wanted

People like Matt in California, OHLDES CAL POLY etc  and everybody before they knew about it have linebred proud jazz FOR YEARS or bred to DS cattle and never seen a DS calf-In fact Ive never seen one. So it does not seem to be the next plague AJ had so much fun with. Unless a DS with PHA animal is bred to a DS animal Even a DS Homozygous bred to DS rarely has produced cripples according to a breeder I know who bred that way Maybe the clearest definition in academic-understandable terms was made by X BAR-I just dont remember the thread now-Not saying its foolproof just extremely low probability- BUT I AM SAYING I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE BWS OF THE BREEDING ON FIRESTORM-AND ESPECIALLY WACO I wish there were a bull that looked as good as Firestorm I could use-but even my below 0 bw Jazz out of a .05 Bw impact Shaker g daughter going back another 26 years to Deertrail countess in (3) 0 BW generations would not be predictable enough for that pedigree-I HAVE DEALT WITH A NUMBER OF TRAINWRECKS and admit to every ONE-And I know a good bit from observing these cattle about every animal listed there as younger breds.I used and produced some very big bulls in the day and those BWS just dont go away in one generation. Thats genetics overall though not "genetic dirt per se" I always seem to address that because nobody other than X Bar , Brock and JIT  seem to relate to cattle that may have been shown but are safe for non show ring people or commercial people to use Stecks recent breeding comes from Steck Mckees and Vogels for the most part and stand at the very top of the breed with the same tired worn out overrated AND NOT VERY WELL DOCUMENTED myrtal beau Solution ET- ALS JMO-there need to be some good REAL outcross genetics or at least 75% new on the going on 20 plus years pedigrees Steck had a sale of some of these cattle where he just ran them from the field into a yard mud and all-They are functional cattle and sold well because they work in normal to tuff conditions what you see is what you get

Appreciate that you noticed Mark. As far as what bull to use on those cows, how�d the Envied calves turn out from those matings? I love that bull. Bar N Ripper would be a bull to consider on those cows. Way underrated bull. I like the Kane Nitro bull from what I�ve seen on the internet.