Quantcast CABANA -PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THESE CATTLE ARE-SHORTHORNS HERE NEED THESE GENETICS

Sponsors







Author Topic: CABANA -PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THESE CATTLE ARE-SHORTHORNS HERE NEED THESE GENETICS  (Read 9602 times)

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
Makes sense to me-these cattle are obviously not fed nor fitted like up here-But I think they are very useful looking-I want naturally thick cattle with guts and rib-that don't melt raising a calf-That's what I saw in the videos-In a pros hands (like Olson) people would know they were there at any show O0

They are well fed...can be sure. But the excess fed is being left behind.

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
Angus I saw on the videos looked pretty good to me-although I;m no expert. As far as the horns-I would have some ideas about what I'd breed them to-I think overall they are maybe more different in type from an American Shorthorn than the Angus are  from the 2 countries. JMO-at least from the pictures-The Canadian Angus would be right up there for me. O0

Both are well fed, but Aberdeen Angus are more fed than Shorthorn!

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
Well. Argentina had until some years ago some different lines from USA/Canada. Already some 8 years ago, some Waukaru was used there as well as JSG Capiche that is producing very well here. With some outstanding heifers this year on Palermo.
I think that the difference on cattle shape is first due some old, close locally lines. Of course we found some Tribune, Clark influence on third or fourth generations on these cattle, but the strong background shaped by massive use of Lincoln Red inserted on Argentinian Shorthorn a "different" eye appeal, specially on block bodies and fine heads.
Finally, the other important factor is the final market, that is the cattle shaper around the world....Shorthorns in South America are made for grass! So they must to born without assistance, prospere at grass and finnish at grass at so early time....making it smaller without lost a good carcass weight and a good gain daily .

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
A Capiche Daughter on Palermo 2017.

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
Another fine lady....no USA blood until her fourth generation...were we find Tribune and Clarck

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
Canada has a very good Shorthorn, one of my preferred in world....but...sorry...Argentinian Shorthorn are the best in world....UNTIL  NOW!
« Last Edit: July 27, 2017, 07:38:02 PM by Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR »

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4946
  • Karma 136
    • View Profile
Senior Cabana Muchos gracias para los pictures-Las Vacas y Machos es muy dificle de vu malo en todo los pieces los vacas no muy bueno-premero en todo los Vus de Raza Shorthorn-para mi type de gusto.-THEMS DAM GOOD CATTLE BUDDY-AND AT LEAST UP YONDER HERE IN THE LAND UV OUTDOOR PLUMBING US HILLBILLYS WOULD SURE USE ONE OF THEM GOOD BULLS-KING SULLIVAN'S DEAL MIGHT GET A SLIGHT AWAKENING PERHAPS EVEN A RUN AT THE THRONE IF WE COULD MESS WITH THESE PHENOTYPES O0 I have too many ideas and not enough pictures churning since I started looking these are just a couple  https://cattlevisions.com/detail.php?BullId=4254&bulltype=5
« Last Edit: July 27, 2017, 09:54:40 PM by mark tenenbaum »

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4946
  • Karma 136
    • View Profile
I didnt get all the conversation-but in one of the videos a breeder spoke of enbryos from Canada-99.999999999 Percent bet that JITS breeding was in there-Id like your take on these ones JIT- maybe a little smaller framed  for Canada-but they are likeable NO? O0

Offline shortybreeder

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 383
  • Karma 7
    • View Profile
Mark, I recognize the first 3 bulls you posted picture's of, but who is the last one?

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4946
  • Karma 136
    • View Profile
Hes a maine but believe it or not EZ calving and the sons-daughters are not that extreme I cant get pics up of the buls I like but heres one of mine  proven really good cows from him-this is as a calf-and Steve Frenches Final Four bull-Red Reward x Sonny x a VERY GOOD IF NOT BEST CANADIAN COW FAMILY Then NBS Low Rider -I feel that he would really work-and he has some old breeding along with Red Ryder Drive-certainly one of the Unique Shorthorns (?) ever in this country.The last picture is a heifer I like very much-SHE IS sired by a Studer bull STUDERS PRECISION  out of Roanoke Flashback-X trump x old Shorthorn. Flashback was sired by TPS Coronet Leader 21 (proud jazz sire) and out of an RPS Tribune x OLD breeding cow: Tribune and Leader 21st probably work better with Argentine cattle overall than most anything-NOT ONLY DO ALL THE PROGENY OUT OF THAT BULL RESEMBLE HER-SHE AND THE OTHERS RESEMBLE YOUR CATTLE MORE THAN ANYTHING I THINK I HAVE SEEN ANYWHERE-if you see how Capiche worked-this may be the best bull anywhere to compliment your type of cattle.As you can see-I dont follow anyone just what I like along with pedigree "reasons"-but phenotypes are phenotypes-and I think you can see a strong resemblence O0
« Last Edit: July 27, 2017, 09:36:23 PM by mark tenenbaum »

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4946
  • Karma 136
    • View Profile
Well. Argentina had until some years ago some different lines from USA/Canada. Already some 8 years ago, some Waukaru was used there as well as JSG Capiche that is producing very well here. With some outstanding heifers this year on Palermo.
I think that the difference on cattle shape is first due some old, close locally lines. Of course we found some Tribune, Clark influence on third or fourth generations on these cattle, but the strong background shaped by massive use of Lincoln Red inserted on Argentinian Shorthorn a "different" eye appeal, specially on block bodies and fine heads.
Finally, the other important factor is the final market, that is the cattle shaper around the world....Shorthorns in South America are made for grass! So they must to born without assistance, prospere at grass and finnish at grass at so early time....making it smaller without lost a good carcass weight and a good gain daily .//// Old PICTURE but you can see the resemblence

Offline Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 591
  • Karma 23
    • View Profile
    • Cabanha Santa Isabel
Not really sure if Tribune did a good job in Argentina.
We see it in many pedigrees, but think that only for lacking options at that time and, due him was imported to ARG, so he must to be used!
SHO on ARG at that years were small and newtype was the order in cattle word, so...Tribune was an option.
To me, today, the best argentinian SHO cattle are not related to Tribune.

Offline mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4946
  • Karma 136
    • View Profile
That was a long time ago and the options were about the same every where-I remember seeing a bull picture of the champion at Palermo-sired by him-may have been 1990-At least better than the Ayatollah garbage of the day.It would stand to reason that the Proud Jazz and Canadian would work on those cattle-especially the mix of older unadulterated and really quite unique blood-along with Lincoln Reds if they were made right. Lately alot of the ones in England look more like salers to mein the pictures-BUT there are also some very good looking Reds over there too.In type-and by pedigree-I would wonder how the Red Reward deals like Red Sensation would work-the dams of those bulls albeit a little harddoing are very pretty fronted with enough length to offset creating course calves that are too short.O0

Offline oakview

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 1221
  • Karma 70
    • View Profile
The white heifer pictured earlier is an exact replica of a Leader 21st heifer I showed in 1970.  She was the first state fair champion I had, won the FFA show and was second in the open show.  The photo I have of her as a cow could easily pass for a mature photo of the heifer in this thread.

Offline Duncraggan

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 715
  • Karma 27
    • View Profile
Canada has a very good Shorthorn, one of my preferred in world....but...sorry...Argentinian Shorthorn are the best in world....UNTIL  NOW!
We were seriously interested in South American genetics and enquired to our import agent about getting them over. Apparently there is a diplomatic spat between South Africa and Argentina/Brazil due to the export of Bonsmara genetics from South Africa and the channels are definitely closed!!!
Cattle look to be the correct type for us though, we have settled for some equally good North American genetics in the mean time.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
4 Replies
5222 Views
Last post September 13, 2009, 07:51:56 PM
by Spring Creek Farms
0 Replies
2474 Views
Last post March 31, 2014, 08:55:59 PM
by AMC
19 Replies
6778 Views
Last post September 02, 2014, 10:33:39 PM
by JTM
0 Replies
316 Views
Last post July 23, 2015, 07:00:07 AM
by admin
0 Replies
289 Views
Last post May 11, 2016, 01:00:06 PM
by admin

Powered by EzPortal