I want to raise show quality calves for my kids projects. they want to show shorthorn or shorthorn + . we have a angus heifer and first calf sim/red angus cow we what to breed . looking for a good bull who is free as well as a calving ease bull. any help with selection would be great
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mark tenenbaum
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These are a couple that may either add color or chrome-and are proven calving ease:Elbee Throwback (roan proven,great hip)-owned by Will on here,Elbee Wymore-SEK, PLM White Jazz-SEK or Cattle Visions,Abertees Rockn Roll Train (also white)Sek or Cattle visions, JSF Capiche-Roan for the Angus hiefer: Top Sires Bull Barn and one of the big non-Shorthorn-clubby Cos-,Proud Jazz or full sib owned by Fareer stock farm (cheaper) O0
As the owner of Throwback I will say we really like his calves. His daugters milk good and flesh really easily. we have had over 200 calves out of him and only one over 90#. We have sold bulls and heifers out of him from $5000 to $15000. And his calves have done well in the show ring. He is free of TH and PHA but is a DS carrier.
As far as the other bulls I have seen some Sull Paydays I have like pretty well and have also used and liked a few Bellringers. If you are in Oklahoma and Texas I think Jakes Proud Jazz or one of his sons can work well.
As far as the other bulls I have seen some Sull Paydays I have like pretty well and have also used and liked a few Bellringers. If you are in Oklahoma and Texas I think Jakes Proud Jazz or one of his sons can work well.
Most of the sires listed are DS carriers. Not a big deal to some but, since you requested clean bulls and that you would like show calves then I would try Sonny California, or JTM'S bull A&T Renegade. Captin obvious is another calving ease bull but, not going to get very big ( great udders and depth).
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If they want show calves : Renegade is way more of a good commercial bull than a clubby show type,Capt Obvious needs a very showy female with size-and thickness and a pretty front and semen is getting scairce-I dont see Sonny California as a bonified CE by pedigree. As far as Non Ds-Thom Turner in Ohio has a th-pha-Ds-free Starburst out of a low BW Oklahoma cow that meets all the parameters-Listed I think in the March - April Shorthorn country-and then there is sull Red Demand-bonified CE-clean all the way-Real stout-Ive seen him and a bunch of calves,semen is $50 a straw from Sullivan:along with bulls like Sull Payday Hot Commodity,Turner Deception,Kane Captain etc.-I was thinking chrome and color-but there are some good choices in solids to
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sue
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No Captain Obvious semen available- you might try Sull Pay day or just go with that really proven Elbee Throwback suggestion.
Doc
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In my experience Payday is not as true as a calving ease bull as some others out there. To me he throws too many outliers on the heavier bwt's. I have had real good success with Hot Commodity- they hit the ground with no problems but at about 2 weeks they seem to turn it on, KOLT Kane Nitro(Schrag owns him) solid white son of Lakeside Nitro that is calving ease but will still produce a marketable calf. I had a Renegade 124 calf this spring out of a heifer with no problems and the pair sold in our sale. She is super easy fleshing , lot of rib, just not real flashy,
shortyjock89
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I'd probably think about Studer's Tailor Made as well. Those things are thick, deep, and nice haired. I don't know if he'll make a great steer though, might be too masculine. We have a son of his, and his calves have been tremendous.
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When are you looking to breed these heifers/cows? We have a bull Wise's influential 407 that we used to clean up heifers. His semen will be available this fall. BW 69 lbs sired by Mav Bellringer and out of a Saskvalley bonanza daughter. $CE in top 5% of breed, free of all defects, and phenotypically acceptable.
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Here is a fella that has been used heavily spring and fall breeding seasons. He is proven but only a few recorded. Photo was taken recently, reference photos listed and semen can ship from Cattle Visions:
Lakeside LoRider 007: Purebred, DS TH and Pha Free. He sired recent champion female at Georgia Futurity bred by Parnells.
Dbl bred Captain Obvious. http://www.lakesidecattle.com/lakeside-lorider-007.html
Lakeside LoRider 007: Purebred, DS TH and Pha Free. He sired recent champion female at Georgia Futurity bred by Parnells.
Dbl bred Captain Obvious. http://www.lakesidecattle.com/lakeside-lorider-007.html
OH Breeder
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Agree Doc- I have seen wide wide range on Payday. I have a very good friend that ditched the entire stock he had because of birth weights out of two jazz cows. Both cows were twins and had twins. Giant flatter made calves and the females were moderate with lots of capacity and depth. Neither female had any issue prior they were Gizmo x Jazz females.Doc said:
Gizmo solid go to, but $$.
Touchdown worked for me
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I am using red Maine registered 7/8's shorthorn out of calving ease lines that is clean for everything.
very blessed year and he hasn't thrown any larger scaled at 89#
So here is the balance- first calf heifer needs to produce live calf with ease and little dystocia. I believe in setting a female up for future fertility and productivity the first go around more so than getting a home run. We have had luck with good females and good bull choices. hate C-sections and females that are paralyzed. Research your females genetics when calculating the birthweights. Its a 50/50 deal sometimes. you could breed jersey but the female has history of consistent high bw and you will get a big one. We culled our last female two years ago. Kept her strictly for terminal calves. had one calf in her career under 100 lbs. no matter what bull we used on her. I don't have the health or the energy to pull or jack any more. so since you said you are starting out....start right.
What is the cow's history you are breeding? I have had some super calves out of that cross shorthorn bull on simmi females. one of our better calves this year is a simmi x shorthorn x maine.
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OH Breeder is right on here. I'd be real careful about using a lot of these so called calving ease bulls. I'm not speaking of any of the aforementioned bulls necessarily, I'm just speaking in general. When breeding your first heifers you want things to go as smooth as possible, unassisted everything. You don't want to risk ten years of calves out of these females for the temptation of getting a winner in their first calf crop. It's a mistake that way too many people make and end up learning after it's too late. A&T Renegade is proven on all types of heifers. He sires nice fronted calves with good level hip and overall structure. Light bone and shape of the head and shoulders are key along with overall size of the calf. Also, a lot of these bulls that people are using and saying work on heifers are being bred to heifers that already weigh 1200-1300 lbs. and will be 1400 or more when they calve. This is not normal in the commercial world and therefore that heavy growth may allow some of these heifers to have bigger boned calves when they are born unassisted. But more times than not you end up assisting them anyways. Most of our heifers calved out to Renegade weighing around 1000- 1100lbs. at two years old. I would also suggest calling or messaging the owners of the bulls you are considering. Good luck!OH Breeder said:
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Did anything happen to A and T Cattle? I don't see any advertising by them in Shorthorn Country bull edition and cannot find their website.
aandtcattle
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I'm alive.
I agree with JTM wholeheartedly. Renegade has panned out to be even better than I thought he could be. His dam has one of my best heifer calves AGAIN this year. Just use him. You'll be glad you did when you get an easily born calf that grows and turns into something later. The Renegade daughters are legit also.
I agree with JTM wholeheartedly. Renegade has panned out to be even better than I thought he could be. His dam has one of my best heifer calves AGAIN this year. Just use him. You'll be glad you did when you get an easily born calf that grows and turns into something later. The Renegade daughters are legit also.
