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Re: Calving question??
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2008, 08:06:06 AM »
Fluffer, you said something that caught my attention....what breed was your heifers???? We used a 100% calving ease angus bull on some gelv heifers and had a COMPLETE diseaster!  Was told that the heterosis is at its ultimate when crossing any british breed with any continental breed. That EPD's are out the window....
The ones we saved were awesome, grew way better than weeds, but lost way too many calves and a few cows.

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Your right about heterosis!  A 50/50 combo does pretty good, but the trick is to have 3 or 4 breeds represtented.  In our case we use Gelbvieh, Simmy, and Angus.  But if you do a 2 way cross studies show that a Hereford Gelbvieh cross produces the most heterosis. 

The 2 cows that we had to pull calves on were both crossbred who knows what cows bred to this angus bull. No Gelbvieh in them that we know of.  There are some really good calving ease gelbvieh bulls.  He have bred heifers to gelbvieh bulls and not pulled 1 calf.  The only time I have had to pull a gelbvieh calf was when I was breeding for the show ring.
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Re: Calving question??
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2008, 09:33:41 AM »
I have a friend that went through the master cattlemens program. They had some researchers come in from UT and the lady said for color in todays market a hereford X angus, and if the market will ever move away from color that an angusxherefordxshorthorn would be the best calf out there for grading, cutability, gaining, etc. I tend to agree with her as those 1/4 and 1/2 blood shorthorn carcasses are hard to beat. JMO.

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Re: Calving question??
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »
Hmm, I would think that in order to have ideal heterosis you would want some british and contenentail in the cross.  Who know, it depends on the cattle you use I guess.

I forget who did the study I saw published about the Gelbvieh Hereford cross being the best.  They had studied several different combos and pb cattle, but here again it was one place and 1 study. 

I think everyone has different cows, different feed, different management practices, and different goals.  As long as your reaching your goals then I would say you have what works for you!

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Re: Calving question??
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2008, 11:34:12 AM »
I totally agree with you about if it works for you then its good. Around here there was a craze for gelbviehs and now they are not even bought. There is a cattle feeder in our area who will ship any gelbviehs he gets in as soon as they hit his lots so I guess that is one reason alot of people arent using the gelbviehs anymore as we have been told they dont do good at the packers.

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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2008, 12:08:28 PM »
That is the biggest downfall of the Gelbvieh breed- THE BREEDERS are not selecting cattle for their carcass quality.  That is why we stopped showing.  I like the Gelbvieh breed and think they have a TON to offer in the beef industry.  But with people breeding them with no regards to marbling or cutablity it hurt them.  We started breeding for carcass traights and our cattle just couldn't compete in the show ring.  We decided we were going to quit showing for a while and breed the kind of cattle that the industry needs.  Others are doing the same thing.  You will see a gradual change once the genetic selection starts to show some progress.  It is unfortunate that one or 2 bad cattle can ruin a breeds image.  You would also be surprised at how well these cattle can cut if they are properly bred.

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