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Offline matt999

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CSF Evolution HC
« on: March 19, 2016, 02:12:23 PM »
Has anyone seen or heard of any calf reports on this shorthorn bull. Curious about BW and quality of the calves.

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Re: CSF Evolution HC
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2016, 10:02:09 AM »
Great looking calf from one picture I saw.Judging from his pedigree-mainly  the bottom side-he would not be a trustworthy calving ease bull at all- Hes probably syndicated-so more than likely,there will be few if no real BWs or records to rely on. O0 O0

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Re: CSF Evolution HC
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2016, 10:41:38 AM »
Semen is available from Cornerstone Farms. 10 unit minimum purchase I believe.

I've heard good things about early calf reports, we're planning on using him some this year.
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Re: CSF Evolution HC
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2016, 11:50:00 AM »
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Re: CSF Evolution HC
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2016, 05:18:20 PM »
Great looking calf from one picture I saw.Judging from his pedigree-mainly  the bottom side-he would not be a trustworthy calving ease bull at all- Hes probably syndicated-so more than likely,there will be few if no real BWs or records to rely on. O0 O0

 Boy, you have a real hard on for any bull that is syndicated. You act like any person that does it for their bull or that belongs to a syndicate is the lowest form of person there is. But yet bulls have been syndicated for years. The first 2 that I was a part of was Rodeo Drive and Deer Trail Awesome.
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Re: CSF Evolution HC
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2016, 06:54:19 PM »
 I was part of Awesome-tailend of mark4, Traildriver (few times) and some others. Back then, fewr bulls were syndicated-and when they were-they got used on a much broader spectrum of types than they are today-Alot of these deals are owned by a very small circle of breeders who do business at the same places-and are in the show cattle business.So at best-they are not used on a very diverese cross section of cattle. I think alot of people have heard the heresay about phantom herds to prop up epds: or cattle with good numbers bringing alot of money at dispersals and just 'disappearing"-There have been MANY calves cut out of cows sired by or related to a  very popular sire who "had" a BW epd of 2.5. In fact-hes behind alot of the popular cattle today-You are missing the point completely assuming that I think all syndicated bulls are bad yatta yatta-but thats a very convenient posistion to take. Maybe you could back a posistion on that by figuring out who kept the records. I'm only going on what I;ve seen, what alot of people with cattle have related to me through first hand experience-and the cattle we have had that share that type of breeding.I do hope that the trend to make Shorthorn cattle feasible again continues-in other words-the Red Demands,Canadian sired, Kieth Lauer-Jungels, Waukarus etc need to have some recognition at shows-even if the 8 month old calves showing against long yearlings arent as big-or "early maturing". O0

 

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