deworming question about sheep

Does anyone on here know if there is a dewormer for Pregnant Ewes that will take care of tapeworms? Valbazen kills tapes, but it is not safe during pregnancy until 30-45 days after lambing and these gals would like this problem taken care of before 3 months goes by.

check out Safeguard -

go to mylamb.org....  sheep site

any wormer other than white is safe for preg ones...  try cydection...  DOn't remember off top my head though.

I read the label on my cydectin and it doesn't say it can be used during gestation... it also does not kill tapeworms.  Tried searching on sheep sites.  Nothing consistent.  Guess I'll try to reach Pipestone Vet. phone line around my students Monday morning.Thanks anyway

kfacres said:

go to mylamb.org....  sheep site

any wormer other than white is safe for preg ones... .

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an we've used white wormers during preg with no adverse effects...  including valbazen

Panacur. Safe for all stages of pregnancy. Kills tapes.
Do not use Valbazen.... unless of course you don't care about your lamb crop. It CAN and WILL abort and deform lambs the first trimester. After that, it is safe (although I still won't use it in preg ewes)

Panacur. Trust me. Used to lamb 400 ewes, and feed out all the lambs.

Good luck.

panacur is basically worthless at least at out place...  Several years ago, I was losing a few lambs, and the whole bunch just looked wormy.. but b/c i was deworming them with panacur, I thought it much be coccidios, or something else...  Stool sample yielded just regular ole worms, I think stomach, or tape, or whatever, anyways, that's not relevant... Vet told me to give some ridiculously high dose of Panacur for 3 days in a row.. Something like 12 or 15 cc's per lamb... He said deworm them, and 10 hrs later bring in stool sample on a lamb.  We'll check it out..  He said after the first hr, 90% of the worms that will get killed will be dead, but to go ahead and give it 9 more hours...   

Tested the first lamb on day 1- no change in stool sample
tested a different lamb on day 2- no change in stool sample
tested lamb 1 and lamb 2 again on day 3, both had changed just enough to notice a change... But still dangerously high worm loads...

dewormed the lambs with valbazen- tested stool sample a couple hours later-- almost no worms...  same 2 lambs. 

If my memory serves me correctly, I think we lost 4 or 5 lambs from using Panacur...  that many in a group of 20 is not good odds....

I read the label on Valbazen and it says that... as a result, I used it in last 1/2 of preg... never had a problem.  It wouldn't say it's safe on the label, if it weren't... 

I had a friend once that had a ewe with tapes, and he couldn't get rid of them- tried for 2 years to get rid of them...  Gave her HUGE doses of everything under the sun...  still had them... Finally he got sick and tired, had an old jug of arsenic in the corner... gave her a slight dose of that- figured she'd either live or die!!!!  she lived, and the worms died... I don't recommend this though!!

kfacres: if you read my post, I agree that the label says it is safe the last part of preg. But I still won't use it in anything pregnant.
Many times, worms become resistant to a certain wormer due to overuse (non-rotating) or under dosing. Youi also can not expect miracles when there is a huge overload of worms. Its a drug, not a miracle wand.
It IS relevant what kind of worm your lambs had. Many wormers do not kill all worms. Maybe your "regular ole worms" wasn't on the label of panacur. Also depends on stage of worm.
Some people swear by diameasous earth (I have NO idea how to spell it - some organic crap) and yet it has been PROVEN uneffective and actually harms the intestinal tract.
Safeguard would be an option for pregnant ewes.

I appreciate the debate.  And have decided to use safeguard for now... lambing should begin in the next week or so and last about a month.  On a related note, had the kids' 26yr old mare in at the vet this morning as she has been colicy all weekend.  Fecal showed a high worm load (combined with the likelyhood of an intestinal lipoma) enough to put her over the edge.  Vet had tube wormed her inOct.  So he asked what I had used recently.  When I said the last 2 times (every 6 weeks) had been panacur (on sale).  He told me I was wasting my money unless it was a 3dose powerpack due to resistance in our area.  I may try strongid on everything since noone around here has been using it for years.

those were words described to me by the original vet to trial our situation, and was then told to me by another vet after our situation occured as well and I was telling him about it...  for us it still didn't work... 

We used to use the prohibit on our bred ewes, but since it's no longer produced, we switched to ivomec...  but we also really don't deworm any breds unless we have to, or thing they need it...  we deworm them before turning rams out, and then we deworm then when exiting the jugs... 

It IS relevant what kind of worm your lambs had. Many wormers do not kill all worms. Maybe your "regular ole worms" wasn't on the label of panacur. Also depends on stage of worm.

It is relevent to the situation at the time.. Doc sayed what ever he said, said panacur is supposed to kill them... IT IS UNRELEVENT TO THE POINT I AM TRYING TO PROVE IN MY STORY

Some people swear by diameasous earth (I have NO idea how to spell it - some organic crap) and yet it has been PROVEN uneffective and actually harms the intestinal tract.
Safeguard would be an option for pregnant ewes. AGREE- ANYTHING IVOMEC ORIENTED ITS ALL THE SAME

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Safeguard is NOT any type or form of Ivomec.  In fact, read the label, no ivomec product will kill tape worms.