Does anyone see Gert here?

jjcox7 · Mar 22, 2013

Does anyone see Gert in this calf?

RyanChandler · Mar 22, 2013

Could easily be a Gert/ Angus cross

jjcox7 · Mar 22, 2013

-XBAR- said:
Could easily be a Gert/ Angus cross

Thanks XBAR... we will try to run him as such.

RyanChandler · Mar 22, 2013

The ear set and shape and his sheath make it difficult to argue his bos indicus influence. A hip shot would make it even easier to evaluate as the calf should have a more round smooth rump shape rather than square w/ high pins to pass IMO.

jjcox7 · Mar 22, 2013

-XBAR- said:
The ear set and shape and his sheath make it difficult to argue his bos indicus influence. A hip shot would make it even easier to evaluate as the calf should have a more round smooth rump shape rather than square w/ high pins to pass IMO.
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Not the best photos...

mark tenenbaum · Mar 22, 2013

maybe Gert or Brangus back there-but he looks a generation away to me-JMO

jjcox7 · Mar 22, 2013

mark tenenbaum said:
maybe Gert or Brangus back there-but he looks a generation away to me-JMO

Breeder told me gert... wow what a bummer. Maybe ABC?

chambero · Mar 22, 2013

If you are in Texas you need to talk to folks on here or elsewhere that are familiar with our classification rules and what gets in and what doesn't. Our system is unique.

I don't know enough about American steers to be of any help.

RyanChandler · Mar 22, 2013

Brangus and Gert should have the same pheno characteristics. Theres some Gerts now that show very little brahman influence

jjcox7 · Mar 22, 2013

-XBAR- said:
Brangus and Gert should have the same pheno characteristics. Theres some Gerts now that show very little brahman influence
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Too confusing... guess I paid high dollar for an AOB.

rackranch · Mar 22, 2013

Could run him gert no problem. Could also run him abc no problem. Could jackpot him gert, abc, brangus, or simbrah if you wanted to. But to answer your question he will class gert all day every day..

G-Luck with him

twistedhshowstock · Mar 22, 2013

From my experience, honestly, I would say no, there probably isnt a ton of gert in him. Looking at true gerts I just dont see it in most of these. He may have a little though. As far as classing him Gert, then absolutely all day everyday. I think almost every classifier would pass him in the gert ring. Here in texas they dont have to actually have a drop of what you run them as in them, as long as they can pass a set of physical traits.

Duncraggan · Mar 23, 2013

-XBAR- said:
Brangus and Gert should have the same pheno characteristics. Theres some Gerts now that show very little brahman influence

XBAR, not that I would ever do it, but, that bull would give some tremendous F1 crosses on my Shorthorn cows!

RyanChandler · Mar 23, 2013

Duncraggan said:
-XBAR- said:

Brangus and Gert should have the same pheno characteristics. Theres some Gerts now that show very little brahman influence

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XBAR, not that I would ever do it, but, that bull would give some tremendous F1 crosses on my Shorthorn cows!

I think about doing it at least once a week

garybob · Mar 24, 2013

twistedhshowstock said:
From my experience, honestly, I would say no, there probably isnt a ton of gert in him. Looking at true gerts I just dont see it in most of these. He may have a little though. As far as classing him Gert, then absolutely all day everyday. I think almost every classifier would pass him in the gert ring. Here in texas they dont have to actually have a drop of what you run them as in them, as long as they can pass a set of physical traits.

Yes, and here's what I think of Y'uns' """Experts""" at Beef Cattle Evaluations and Phenotype Classification. Anyone who doesn't allow a red, dark roan, or RWM steer or heifer in the ring, but, DOES allow Splotchy, Orangey "Roan" Steers with Brindle Stripes on their legs & a Roman-nosed, Ant-Eater-Headed "Breeding Heifer"............. obviously needs to be politely taken aside and "informed" what a Purebred Shorthorn looks like.

FYI

GB

Bradenh · Mar 24, 2013

He's gert, 3 green chips, no questions asked

Duncraggan · Mar 24, 2013

garybob said:
twistedhshowstock said:

From my experience, honestly, I would say no, there probably isnt a ton of gert in him. Looking at true gerts I just don't see it in most of these. He may have a little though. As far as classing him gert, then absolutely all day everyday. I think almost every classifier would pass him in the gert ring. Here in texas they dont have to actually have a drop of what you run them as in them, as long as they can pass a set of physical traits.

Click to expand...

Yes, and here's what I think of Y'uns' """Experts""" at Beef Cattle Evaluations and Phenotype Classification. Anyone who doesn't allow a red, dark roan, or RWM steer or heifer in the ring, but, DOES allow Splotchy, Orangey "Roan" Steers with Brindle Stripes on their legs & a Roman-nosed, Ant-Eater-Headed "Breeding Heifer"............. obviously needs to be politely taken aside and "informed" what a Purebred Shorthorn looks like.

FYI

GB

It all comes down to two things:

i) Deal with reputable breeders, ask around, it's worth the effort!

ii) Know the breed standards of whatever breed you get involved in. The breed society should be able to put you in contact with a knowledgeable, unbiased mentor if needed.

GB, situations like you describe above make the whole industry look like a farce! Where is the breed society steward in these cases?

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