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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2008, 08:39:18 PM »

At the top of DL's list was FR Magic 179X.  What more can be added?

I've stated many times on this board that I believe the cow to be far more important in a mating than the bull (as far a heiritable traits are concerned).  With that said, I noninate a bull to the list that I suppose will draw some objections:

DMCC POLLEROID 29A ET

I know, Red Alert = no milk, but Polleroid had a mighty nice AA Black Gold daughter as his Dam.  And,Polleroid, when bred to those Midas and Magic daughters, produce some really incredible cows.   
 




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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2008, 09:43:24 AM »

This is my take on the "maternal sires" but I'm no expert and have relied much on word of mouth. Calvin Fryer one of the most experienced Maine breeders who makes a living selling replacement females says Witch Doctor or his offspring is still a good one for making great cows. The Cunia genetics are always pretty darn hard to beat too. Those Chill Factors are just plan good from the little I've seen and have also heard only great reports. Dr. Who is perhaps good, but have seen train wreaks from stacking too much Power Plant and can become pathetically crippled in their structure. This could be from too much of the wrong Cunia genetics which Power Plant has, and is only an uneducated guess. The Midas and Smithbuilts are awfully good too and have a proven track record and probably did not get sampled enough with Angus cows for making half bloods, as Cunia. Pistol Pete females are good but can develop some udder problems after having a few calves from my limited experience.

Topper was a interesting bull and DL seemed to have sampled him more then anyone I know so I would respect her opinion. Maybe she could elaborate a bit more and give us the good, bad and the ugly on him.

Bookem Dano was also popular and DLD used him a little. I would like to know more about him. How about all the dirt, DLD?

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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2008, 10:41:47 AM »
Best heifers we have seen this year are out of Paddy OMally. Also seen some really nice Paddy cows. Money Shot seems to be one of the hot new ones that is throwin good stuff.

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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2008, 11:37:19 AM »
Best heifers we have seen this year are out of Paddy OMally. Also seen some really nice Paddy cows. Money Shot seems to be one of the hot new ones that is throwin good stuff.
I thought about Paddy but want to stay away from PHC. I want a female out of my mating. Dr. Who seems to be in the running. Thought Chill Factor but worried if it was a steer would it be stout enough.
Thanks for the input folks.
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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2008, 02:20:03 PM »
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I think some problems w/ the newer bulls is that we've gotten away from maternal traits. we don't look at udder confirmation as a trait, weaning weights & calving issues. I'm not talking about just BW's weights but if one cow can't handle an 80# calf & another has no difficulty having a 100# plus calf. Also live births & vigor of the calf at birth. Too me these are just as important maybe even more so than does the bull produce show winners, big butts or hair.

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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2008, 02:55:56 PM »

Topper was a interesting bull and DL seemed to have sampled him more then anyone I know so I would respect her opinion. Maybe she could elaborate a bit more and give us the good, bad and the ugly on him.


Hey Telos - well Don Coover asked me one time about Topper and said he seemed to be a bull with a "cult following" - he is little known (or perhaps ignored) total outcross bull (Andy Pandy - there's a name you don't hear much in Maine circles) - there are several Topper bulls he is # 177587

He sires really good cows with great temperament - never met a crazy Topper calf - he even seems to calm the loops! Cows are big footed, good boned, deep ribbed high capacity cows that are excellent mothers. They are the kind of cows you enjoy looking at in the field - correct, beautiful udders, long strided

Although a black bull he throws both red and color which probably makes him unpopular with some
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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2008, 05:40:58 PM »
I forgot about Dr. Who too, we are looking at him for our heifers this year.

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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2008, 09:03:18 PM »

Topper was a interesting bull and DL seemed to have sampled him more then anyone I know so I would respect her opinion. Maybe she could elaborate a bit more and give us the good, bad and the ugly on him.


Hey Telos - well Don Coover asked me one time about Topper and said he seemed to be a bull with a "cult following" - he is little known (or perhaps ignored) total outcross bull (Andy Pandy - there's a name you don't hear much in Maine circles) - there are several Topper bulls he is # 177587

He sires really good cows with great temperament - never met a crazy Topper calf - he even seems to calm the loops! Cows are big footed, good boned, deep ribbed high capacity cows that are excellent mothers. They are the kind of cows you enjoy looking at in the field - correct, beautiful udders, long strided

Although a black bull he throws both red and color which probably makes him unpopular with some



From the picture he is more moderate framed than I expected. Nice looking bull.
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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2008, 09:33:00 PM »
Calberta Hustler
Majors Money Man (working like a dream here...Females are so functional and I love my MM Bull!)
Popular Haven Smithbuilt
Witch Dr.
I'm Hoping Gig. Joe will step right in with these
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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2008, 09:20:53 AM »
Topper is a bull I have never heard of, but his picture really is interesting to me. Also the fact that he is unrelated to most of the unsound bulls used today. I sure don't doubt you guys when you say he is a good maternal bull, but would someone with more experience an brains than me please tell me why we don't see him in pedigrees today. Just from his picture I would sure consider using him.Please help. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2008, 10:37:16 AM »
Are the Habenero cows good uddered? I'm thinking about  using a bull that is a maternal sib to him. Thanks, Brent

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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2008, 10:53:58 AM »
Our favorites of the newer bulls are Dr. Who and Hard Core.  I like many of the Money Man's we have seen, just didn't get enough frame for more moderate type cows and haven't seen enough finish at the end on the ones around here, but he is a great choice for a calving ease Maine bull.  Haven't had any yet, but have several Gigolo Joe's coming and I think he will also be one of the long lasting newer maternal bulls, really excited about the matings coming out of him.
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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2008, 11:15:10 AM »
Topper is a bull I have never heard of, but his picture really is interesting to me. Also the fact that he is unrelated to most of the unsound bulls used today. I sure don't doubt you guys when you say he is a good maternal bull, but would someone with more experience an brains than me please tell me why we don't see him in pedigrees today. Just from his picture I would sure consider using him.Please help. Thanks in advance.

Topper is a bull owned by Morton Farms of Texas - I found him in the 1997 McCune Enterprises catalog and don't think I really ever saw him anywhere else - I think you don't see him because 1) you aren't looking in the right place (JOKE ;)) and 2) he was not heavily promoted and 3) he was not owned by a "big name" national outfit that showed extensively and 4) he wasn't "faddy" -

Now I have probably unlocked the key and the semen will all disappear!

Since all my Topper cows are clean it never occurred to me to have the bull tested - he does trace to Dalton 8 or 9 generations back so I will ship off a straw of semen tomorrow and let you know what his PHA status is ...
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Re: Favorite Maternal Maine bull
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2008, 09:14:02 AM »

Topper was a interesting bull and DL seemed to have sampled him more then anyone I know so I would respect her opinion. Maybe she could elaborate a bit more and give us the good, bad and the ugly on him.


PC metric in there, also bysantin, cosic, dabla, capone a couple of times, the etula butt, crack's in there, a holstein (just like smithbuilt), bysantin on novino (someone knew what to try there).  this bull confirms a lot.

i'm thinking that if i could have bred a bull, he has just about everything i would have thrown in there.

 

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