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Duncraggan · Jan 23, 2022

oakview said:
Maybe it's not such a bad thing the ASA is now requiring bulls to be used for breeding purposes be DNA tested. I read that the "mis-sired" rate is about 10%. Evidently was much higher is some herds in the past. I understand accidents happen, but when it's intentional, is it an accident? Should we be accusing folks of misrepresenting pedigrees if they're not here to defend themselves? 'Common knowledge' is sometimes not 'common knowledge.'

Fortunately we now have DNA testing as a standard to prevent 'accidents'. My concern is for those breeders who put their faith in the integrity of their bull breeders and now, unknowingly, have tainted genetics!
I believe social media is a cancer, and I therefore feel sorry for talented breeders who produced outliers and that may now possibly be labelled as a result. They are not here, in many cases, to defend themselves. See above post.
To have 'anecdotal' accounts of breeders bragging about their, possible, genetic manipulation makes my blood boil!

knabe · Jan 23, 2022

i feel one shouldn't make the pedigree what it says on the paper no matter the circumstance.

this ruins epd's.

social media is a cancer.

mistakes happen, and that isn't good enough to keep the pedigree wrong.

if dna is available, there should be no reason to accept a past pedigree if proven wrong.

i seem to remember some cunia cross bred whose pedigree was wrong.

didn't seem to hurt anyone.

it mostly doesn't matter anyway since the offspring these days will probably generate their own epd's that are more accurate than their parents.

if anyone wants to use their parents that are based off a limited set of offspring and the papered animal is wrong, it won't matter much anyway.

not saying it is, but would anyone really care if irish whiskey was wrong?

legacy plus supposedly had two different sets of papers. does anyone really care? only the original litigants care because the animal was supposed to be dead.

where it really starts to matter is if some high dollar animal is wrong. these days, it simply doesn't make that much sense to not verify parentage if that matters.

bulls that sell for $2500-5000 with no intended semen use, it probably doesn't matter. how the calves perform matters, and if they don't, that probably matters.

for dna verification, if one is looking for something specific, then it does matter. these people, if they don't dna parentage, are probably not best suited to look for stuff and they will disappear.

etc.

mark tenenbaum · Jan 23, 2022

Duncraggan said:
oakview said:

Maybe it's not such a bad thing the ASA is now requiring bulls to be used for breeding purposes be DNA tested. I read that the "mis-sired" rate is about 10%. Evidently was much higher is some herds in the past. I understand accidents happen, but when it's intentional, is it an accident? Should we be accusing folks of misrepresenting pedigrees if they're not here to defend themselves? 'Common knowledge' is sometimes not 'common knowledge.'

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Fortunately we now have DNA testing as a standard to prevent 'accidents'. My concern is for those breeders who put their faith in the integrity of their bull breeders and now, unknowingly, have tainted genetics!
I believe social media is a cancer, and I therefore feel sorry for talented breeders who produced outliers and that may now possibly be labelled as a result. They are not here, in many cases, to defend themselves. See above post.
To have 'anecdotal' accounts of breeders bragging about their, possible, genetic manipulation makes my blood boil! ////// That went on for years in ALL BREEDS-The periods we are talking about are the late 80s AND VERY EARLY 90S AND a LOT OF PEOPLE KNEW IT just by looking at the cattle IF ANY ENTICER BLOOD EVER GOT TO YOUR COUNTRY YOU ARE UNWITTINGLY GUILTY TOO AS FAR AS Harold went- If you said something to him about it and hed had a drink or two-hed tell you to F!#$^*(k off and didnt care what you thought. I like to know what I can about breeding cattle-So Id listen to what people said-And some of those cattle were very good because of "progressive" breeding pratices. O0

Duncraggan · Jan 30, 2022

We are like a pimple on the backside of the world!
What is the full name of the Enticer bull you are referring to?
I may have some research to do! ;D

mark tenenbaum · Feb 2, 2022

HS Instant Enticer 3807192 -Looking at his pedigree wont tell you much-I never saw him but did see some progeny Such as Byland Goldwalk-and DEERTRAIL AWESOME WHO HAD TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST SHORTHORN BULLS (NON DUAL BREEDING) of the later 80s and 90s-Along the lines size wise of ones like Manitoba Sunrise (Superflag etc blood)and HC Merger Enticer and progeny were clearly different from the cattle he was PUPORTEDLY related to I think in an earlier thread on here I posted pictures of "Enticers Dam" and him-They are posted below again That may shed a little light on his dam-Dugdale and Hunsley said both Enticer and Rodeo were on solid RED mature cows etc SAME GOES FOR ENTICERS SIRE- SRS INSTANT REPLAY--NOTTTTT NO POSSIBLITY OF EVEN A MILD RESEMBLANCE! SO: I knew Mike Dugdale well enough to " research" Enticer and Rodeo in conversations with him-Hes the one who brought both as calves to Shorthorn Central and sold them Hunsley also hinted around about Rodeo in a very subtle manner when we were riding one time O0

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