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Offline sam1988

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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2010, 07:09:11 PM »
emergency shoe shine.....you must live under a rock.  everyone in the barn knew he was a clone and have known since expo.  He may not be the first clone shown, but the first one everyone knew about. 

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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2010, 07:29:49 PM »
Emergency Shoe Shine:  I am going to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I am the parent of a 4-Her and I can tell you that we also don't have to announce if a calf is an embryo transfer calf, an IVF calf or a calf produced with sexed semen.  Nor do you have to announce that your calf was produced using semen from one of the Heatwave clones as I sure most of them are.  The Faber's announced it when it was appropriate and I give them credit for doing so. 
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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2010, 07:58:35 PM »
I don't mean to be sarcastik but isn't it kind of hard to notify the Sale of Champions "before" you have won the show?

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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2010, 08:10:21 PM »
Show hiefer;  you wrote "As far as the "management" question cloning would actually be a very interesting and useful tool... take a group of 20 clones, give each exhibitor a calf, then in 10 months have a show. May the best manager win.....  kinda like that idea myself! Oh, and ask the exhibitors questions about their calf.... if the exhibitor actually cared for the calf, they should have no trouble answering questions about when, how much, and what they fed.  Yep, I think I might be on to something!"

I am pretty sure in your example, that the Faber's still would win.  They can flat get one ready...
 

That is exactly what I said just the other day. YOu can take a $1000 calf and a $10000 calf and I can gurantee you that someone can make a 10K look like a 1000 in real hurry if they don't do it right.
Recently they had a show on cloning on animal planet or one of the dicovery channels. The information that was presented said as you make more copies the cost of cloning goes down. The more copies you make the cheaper it is. Personally I think it would get boring. I like the excitement of seeing how your matings turned out when matching sires to cows. Its like Christmas during calving season.
Life is too short....don't sweat the small stuff.

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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2010, 10:08:47 PM »
Well i for one dont want someone cloning a calf i raise and sell.  If you figure out how hard it is to raise a great one and someone just buys it and starts cloning that animal.  Takes alot of the guess work on breeding decisions out of the window.
And hurts business when dont have repeat customers. 
If this one was done to show what cloning can do why was it such a secret all year long that some of us people figured out.

Wonder if they are advertising the clones they have for sale this year?

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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2010, 07:10:58 AM »
Good point DTW.....if the purpose was to promote cloning, why wasn't it made public during expo so that every time they went out and showed they could "promote" the benefits of cloning.  The rumors were rampant all season long that they were clones but nothing official until the sale of champions.   

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Re: Here comes the fallout from the clone.
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2010, 07:35:46 AM »
Interesting points all around - to me the "genie is now out of the bottle" and technology moves on - it is a very competitive business (aka youth 4-H/FFA activity) and people will use various forms of technology to advance progress - started with AI then embryo transplant and now cloning - with there being so many variables the offspring do differ - but I really don't think that cloning will make a difference in steer shows in the long run - styles change and a steer type that wins today will probably not win a few years from now - look at photos from 5 or 10 years ago  and who knows what they will look like 5 to 10 years from now - perhaps a little larger framed and maybe not as thick?


 

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