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Offline Dale L

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Hooks Beacon?
« on: February 18, 2018, 08:07:52 AM »
Has anyone here used this bull?  I know he isn't a "clubby" bull.  Just looking for some info on his calves.  Birth weight and such.  I have some heifers that I am thinking of using Slider on and also a few I thought about using Beacon on.  I want low birth weight but don't want a bunch of puds either.

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 08:25:39 AM »
We were going to sample W/C Bullseye on a few this year. Hes a Lock and Load out of the Werning Dream Catcher donor and he has double digit calving ease. Sale photos and video of his progeny have looked good.
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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 08:56:21 PM »
A couple of the heifers I'm looking to breed are out of our lock n load son.

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 06:47:16 PM »
Hook's Beacon is an improved version of Shear Force with better numbers and phenotype.  If you like Beacon will do alright for you.  However don't believe the hype that he has the best EPD numbers for a purebred Simmental around.  Select sires has a bull called JC Engineer that has better calving ease and growth numbers ans is worth a look.  Both bulls are calving ease spread bulls and are not designed to turn out big boned cattle with lots of thickness. but for your needs either bull should work.  The calves I have seen out of both bulls were out of grade BWF heifers and both bulls worked well in adding growth and calved with out drama.

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 10:00:29 AM »
On my radar for heifers is GLS Declaration (http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php/bull-database-view-page?bid=428&breed=Simmental), and I have actually bred a few heifers to him for fall 18 calving, and will use him on some spring heifers when we breed those.
I like his pedigree, and his numbers look good for us. I know he is not proven, but I know my heifers and what they can do and I think he is a good match for some of them, especially the ones with white.

Another one I use on heifers is HPF Optimizer. His calves flat out grow, and I have not touched a calf yet sired by him (at birth). He is not sleep at night calving ease, but if your heifers can handle high 70 to low 80 birth weights he is one to consider. He tends to throw some white, so I would not use him heifers with a lot of white. We have a heifer in production sired by him, out of a heifer herself. She is raising a dandy of a calf (sired by Elevate), has plenty of milk and keeping in great flesh herself. She is bred back herself for her second calf, and we backed her up 30 days.
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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2018, 05:07:08 AM »
With the CED numbers on beacon and elevate being 21 and 23 and BW of -3 and -1 What kind of birth weight would you expect that to be?  I just haven't been in this game long and am trying to get a good idea of what to expect. 

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2018, 07:26:39 AM »
The more I look at and study the Genex bull WC1143Y the more I think that he is one that needs more use and has been over looked. Reg. # 2684560 also listed in Werning's sire directory. May not be true CE bull but +10 and change CE. 85lb BW.
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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2018, 07:54:34 AM »
With the CED numbers on beacon and elevate being 21 and 23 and BW of -3 and -1 What kind of birth weight would you expect that to be?  I just haven't been in this game long and am trying to get a good idea of what to expect.
You can't really "expect" any specific birth weight based on EPDs. Basically you can expect the bull with a -3 BW to throw calves with an average BW 2lbs lower than the bull with a -1.

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 12:50:27 PM »
The more I look at and study the Genex bull WC1143Y the more I think that he is one that needs more use and has been over looked. Reg. # 2684560 also listed in Werning's sire directory. May not be true CE bull but +10 and change CE. 85lb BW.

We bred a group to him for fall 18 calves. I have heard a lot of good things about his babies. Excited to see those calves!
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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 05:27:05 PM »
I for one will be looking forward to hearing about those calves.

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 06:12:39 PM »
The more I look at and study the Genex bull WC1143Y the more I think that he is one that needs more use and has been over looked. Reg. # 2684560 also listed in Werning's sire directory. May not be true CE bull but +10 and change CE. 85lb BW.

We bred a group to him for fall 18 calves. I have heard a lot of good things about his babies. Excited to see those calves!

I bought a group of heifers that had some bred to 1143Y. An HPF Steel Force Z316 heifer had twin bull calves. out of 1143Y. Both were about 70lbs. They are stout and looking good.

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2018, 11:28:35 AM »
The more I look at and study the Genex bull WC1143Y the more I think that he is one that needs more use and has been over looked. Reg. # 2684560 also listed in Werning's sire directory. May not be true CE bull but +10 and change CE. 85lb BW.

We bred a group to him for fall 18 calves. I have heard a lot of good things about his babies. Excited to see those calves!

I bought a group of heifers that had some bred to 1143Y. An HPF Steel Force Z316 heifer had twin bull calves. out of 1143Y. Both were about 70lbs. They are stout and looking good.

We finished calving our WC 1143Y calves yesterday and we are very impressed. All the calves are growing great and getting stouter everyday! He does throw a lot of white if there is much on the dam and puts some white on ones out of all black dams. Birthweights were moderate, 75 to 85lbs, so I wouldn't call him heifer safe unless there wasn't big bw on the dam' s side. We are definitely going to use him again this spring.
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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2018, 12:53:23 PM »
The WC 1143Y bull sounds pretty nice. Would he throw any red or is he pretty strict black chrome?

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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2018, 07:30:35 PM »
Via Genex, hetero black. He actually tested Homo black but is what is called a Red "Charlie" carrier. This is all new to me. I guess quite a few of the Lock N Loads carry the Red "Charlie" gene. Anyone??

Link below about Red Charlie. Red Charlie was the name of the bull that supposedly is responsible for passing on the gene.

https://asascienceblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/red-charlie-a-newly-discovered-red-coat-color-variant/
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Re: Hooks Beacon?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2018, 07:55:02 PM »
Via Genex, hetero black. He actually tested Homo black but is what is called a Red "Charlie" carrier. This is all new to me. I guess quite a few of the Lock N Loads carry the Red "Charlie" gene. Anyone??

Yes, it is specific to Lock N Load offspring. Live Ammo is another Red Charlie, and we had a nice red bull out of him (pictured). It acts just like the hetero gene, but is not identified as such (meaning he tests as Homo black, but still throws red calves).

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