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Offline mark tenenbaum

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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2022, 09:51:08 PM »
Here is a question for you to consider.....
You are a purebred breeder with a herd of 50 breeding age females. You are looking for a herd bull to use in your herd as you only A.I. a few head each year. Your cows are almost all polled and about 1/2 of them are at least 3 generations polled breeding and the rest are two generations or less. You have three horned females in the herd.
In your search for the next great herd sire, you find two bulls that you really like. Both have excellent bloodlines and both are selling in the same sale.The only problem is that the one you like the best is horned while the other bull is polled and not quite as good. You also know that the chances are that the horned bull will sell for considerably less money than the polled bull will. You also want to try to produce some bulls that can be developed to sell, so you are conscience of the discrepancy that often exists between horned and polled animals.
THE QUESTION IS>>>> WOULD YOU TRY TO BUY THE HORNED BULL AS YOU THINK HE IS THE BEST BULL.... OR WOULD YOU PASS HIM BY BECAUSE HE IS HORNED AND TRY TO PURCHASE THE POLLED BULL? Have at it...../////// BUY THE HORNED BULL-ITS LIKE THAT IN EVERY BREED IF YOU TAKE THE HORNS OFF YOU TAKE THE a@#%&*(S off them Ill breed to a good horned bull ANY DAY O0

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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2022, 10:52:16 AM »
i would ask if the polled bull was homo polled.

here's a dna verified homo polled fullblood maine anjou bull.

in general, polled tends to make them with less powerful hips, not quite as much volume etc.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2022, 10:52:32 AM by knabe »
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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2022, 02:43:53 PM »
Anyone have an idea of how many polled fullblood Maines there are in France or elsewhere in Europe?

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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2022, 03:28:25 PM »
there is semen on 3 homo polled fullbloods in canada and US.

doubt there is a homo polled bull anywhere else.

there are a few hetero polled bulls with semen out there, maybe 10-15.

live on the ground hetero polled bulls, maybe the same or double at most.

quite a few females.
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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2022, 10:21:46 AM »
there have been quite a few heterozygous polled fullbloods that are stout, but not yet a homozygous bull to my knowledge.


Doc-Son should post one of his.


pretty stout.
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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2022, 12:25:42 PM »
There is only one way to sort the stockman from the recreationalist, suggest to them that they are lazy if they only want to buy a polled bull, and watch their reaction.
That will sort the men from the boys!
I never discriminate, I keep the best calves, and use them. I have <20% horned calves even though I use a lot of horned bulls because their 'quality ratio' seems to be higher!

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Re: Horned vs Polled
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2022, 11:34:09 AM »
In 1969 my Dad purchased his first polled bull. In 1972 we purchased Miami Baron 20B and he was 100% dehorner. I remember when we purchased a couple of horned cows from Cecil Staples, Diamond herd iin 1973 Dad saying that he had not expected to buy horned cows but couldn't pass them up. Now testing for homozygous polled is a very inexpensive test. Last summer we used 2 homozygous polled bulls, one heterzygous polled bull and one horned bull. So 50 yaers later we are still using horned genetics. That said we have a much easier time selling polled bulls to the commercial bull buyers so it has to be a pretty exception horned bull to be walking a pasture here.

 

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