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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2019, 04:27:24 PM »
This is a son of HC Cruiser 59C that we showed at Agribition last week. He is HC Gasper 55G and he was born March 23rd,2019. He had an actual BW of 73 lbs and he was the second lowest BW of all our calves this year. He was weaned in late October and did not have any creep feed through the summer. At the last minute he was substituted for a bull I had planned to show that got sick. He weighed 768 at the show so what you see here was all done with milk and grass.
His sire HC Cruiser 59C has recently been sold to Shadybrook Farm Ltd, West Brome. Quebec. We will continue to use him through semen we have retained in him. Last January, when I posted a picture of Cruiser, several people who are on this site regularly told me he was a cow killer and yet we have had another calf crop that was completely born unassisted. The heaviest calf ever born from Cruiser had a BW pf 102 lbs and was born unassisted from a huge Simmental X Shorthorn cow. This calf is a incredibly long bodied red neck roan and is very impressive  Most of his calves are in the 80-90 lb range. A well known breeder of another breed, recently referred to Cruiser as being the stoutest beef bull of any breed he has ever seen. i thought his statement was pretty amazing considering that Cruiser isn't black!
We have not decided if we will sell 55G or if we will retain him to replace Cruiser, but if he is sold, he will be in pur Sun Country Sale on March 10th. He won his class in the Agribition show and was Reserve Junior Bull Calf Champion. We had interest in him from many people, including breeders of 3 other breeds, and a few clubbie producers. I wish we could have got him on display in Denver, but we will be busy clipping and picturing our sale cattle while Denver is on. An American told us, that he is the best bull prospect he has seen anywhere this year, including Louisville, Toronto and Kansas City.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 04:53:33 PM by justintime »
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2019, 07:37:21 AM »
Hes gonna sell some semen.Very interesting pedigree-his dam must be very unique-BEING HALF HAUMONT BREEDING (for all you maternal  JIT Bashers out there LOL)-along with Prosperity etc Then the documented performance cattle:gold, hot commodity and australian etc breeding on the top Hes got the deep Canadian look AND A  butt but remains prettier fronted than alot of bulls regardless of breed-Then ad real world  maternal that clubby and popular shorthorn show cattle need Just a JMO Spread him out and make it easy to get for everyone-Put him on  Cattle Visions and SEK that way those who want to try 3 straws etc will be able to try him along with the larger amounts-He will build some momentum long term If he breeds well: the flood gates will probably open-just takes time . Im sure you will sell a bunch of semen  in Canada England, Ireland as well O0
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2019, 07:29:04 AM »
Bw on your sign at Agri sure doesnt say 73 pounds. Looks like it says 86 or 96 pounds. I zoomed in and couldnt be for sure. But that dont look like a 73
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2019, 09:23:24 AM »
i saw that too. Looks like 86-Id still use him on a hardoing looking angular cow-lots of them around.I didnt think anyone would use one that massive on a heifer-Hes still got some pretty good bones in the pedigree O0

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2019, 11:07:51 AM »
Bw on your sign at Agri sure doesnt say 73 pounds. Looks like it says 86 or 96 pounds. I zoomed in and couldnt be for sure. But that dont look like a 73

The BW on my sign at Agribition was a mistake. When I looked up his birth information in my calf book, I read the BW of the calf below him in it. Of course, I was filling out my stall cards in a hurry just before I left for the show. I came home after dropping the cattle off at the show and happened to look at my calving book again and realized that I had made a mistake. When I got back to the show I did not have a erasable marker to make the correction on the sign.( It was supposed to be in the top drawer of my tack box)  His correct actual BW was 73 lbs, and he was weighed on a calf scale and it was not estimated or one of those measuring tapes used. He was very tiny at birth, and I thought he was going to be a twin. There wasn't another calf.
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2019, 12:19:49 PM »
On Digitalbeef (Canadian) his BW is 73 lb.

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2019, 12:37:48 PM »
No doubt in my mind he is a heifer bull.
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« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2019, 05:22:44 PM »
Remains to be seen-hes a really good one regardless sure spruce up some red ones-Probably the coolest Canadian Ive seen and not a whole lot of cow killer genetics in his pedigree O0

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2019, 03:23:53 PM »
Looks like he has the white hoofs.....doesn't seem to show much testicle......what was his age?
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2019, 05:57:07 PM »
No doubt in my mind he is a heifer bull.

Oh absolutely.  Nothing in the pedigree to suggest otherwise  ::)


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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2019, 09:04:56 PM »
I have seen calves out of all but Sprys Aussie gold The Jungels, Brockmueller Bennett of washington Rocker Bros Byland Goldwalk incarnations et al were bred for growth in an era when a 90 pound calf was the norm - I WISH THEY STILL WERE I seriously doubt over a multi generation pedigree there are a bunch of 150 pound monsters out of the performance cattle listed I cannot vouch for bulls used by Ripberger etc-(I dont think they can either) but thier cows are the obvious other side of the equationThat leaves-CF prosperity his dams grandsire-Seen a ton of them used him myself and we will probably breed one heifer to him this year,hes every bit the DOUCUMENTED FOR 25 YEARS OR WHATEVER .08 CE bull as listed-just doesnt throw a great one every time I will take a wild guess you have some of the performance blood-RE RELATIVES TO SOME OF THE BULLS LISTED  blood in your herd -BREED THEM TO DIFFERENT COWS-different results THE SIRE-ON THE DAMS SIDE FROM PROSPERITY IS A LINE BRED HAUMONT WHOSE EPDS WOULD PROBABLY BE AT LEAST MINUS 3  FROM 100 YEARS OR WHATEVER OF LINEBREEDING IM gonna say if you average the top and bottom of this bull VERSUS what kind of U S reasonably sized female he is bred to-You are gonna see 85 to 90 pound calves due to the length and mass he posses-and the amalgom of cattle behind him-A large percentage of which are highly documented in the quest for some reason in bws and get there quick Grow. A real weighed 85 to 90 pound Shorthorn calf that isnt shaped like a football can come from many heifers -although i obviously dont advocate it-and just about any cow.Im sure they would be 5-10 pounds smaller out of real low BW genetics I have had a number of extremly low BW calves as well-NONE had the performance to merit keeping I dont think you are gonna produce 1175 pound yearling bulls made like him  in the 70s at birth in this breed down here  very often -Simple backwood physics they aint made like that O0
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2019, 08:34:11 AM »
I don't consider any bull a heifer bull until I have had calves from them. I used his sire on a set of heifers, as a yearling after the bull I had planned to use, was killed by lightning. I was concerned but knew that he had been born unassisted from a first calf heifer. The heifers calved good.

I got an email from Shadybrook last night to let me know that Cruiser had arrived there after being 10 days on route from here. Lloyd Wright said he has never seen a Shorthorn bull that thick, and this is what others have said as well. While at Agribition, a well known Angus breeder stopped at my stall. He saw Cruiser last spring and he told me that he has told several others that Cruiser is the stoutest bull he has ever seen. I thought this was quite a statement to come from an Angus breeder.

If you don't like either of these bulls, you don't need to use them. Simple as that!
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2019, 12:30:58 PM »
 (clapping) Pretty well states it-They are both useful to me and I forgot about Hotshot being back there with Hot Commodity who made magic with the "EPDS" of very hi BW show genetics-between: him, Prosperity, and the Haumont bull there are several generations of  documented CE in this calf close to 68% of his recent pedigree: more so than several US bulls that are just sons of Hot Commodity Seems like alot of people rely only on the percentages of "capture" "accuracy" RE EPDS rather than the real world  cattle combined in an animal. There are alot of 90 pound plus BW bulls with "great" epds O0

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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2019, 12:34:46 PM »
Looks like he has the white hoofs.....doesn't seem to show much testicle......what was his age?

I wouldn't call his hooves white,but they are a lighter brown that I would like. This said, his sire has hooves that are a similar color and they have never been touched and probably never will need to be, Cruiser has an excellent hoof structure. As for testicle size, he definitely is adequate. Again when we were semen testing for our bull sale when Cruiser was 7 months old, my vet said there was no reason to test him, as he was too young and would never pass. I suggested that she test him and we would at least have a test result to compare any future tests with. We all were amazed when at 7 months of age he received the highest score ( 94%) out of the 31 yearling and two year old bulls tested that day. When I took Cruiser to collect some more semen before he left here, the vet said he had one the best semen samples he had seen this fall. I am hoping 55G will be like his sire, but we won't know for a few months yet.
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Re: I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2019, 12:59:54 PM »
validation from independent sources is always a plus.

slight knock.  the narrative always seems to be any negative is actually a positive at the opposite end of the spectrum.

this just isn't possible.

this type of narrative actually is not a positive because it's just so predictable and rarely comes with independent sources of verification.

the 10 standard deviation to the positive narrative is a little tiresome.

if the narrative were true even at a marginal level, shorthorn would register more than angus and dominate.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2019, 01:01:17 PM by knabe »

 

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