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incorporation of % wygu cattle.
« on: August 07, 2019, 07:50:19 AM »
Heard of an operation trying to raise 25% wygu 75% Angus feedlot cattle. I thought this was interesting. Then I got to wondering if anybody out there was developing wygu composites or a new breed using wygu as a factor. What would happen if someone incorporated wygu in a Shorthorn composite program. You could utilize the "eatability" genes or what ever.
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2019, 08:48:10 AM »
Yep, cross your DM shorts with wygu. Sounds like the latest craze.   What do you think they would look like?

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2019, 11:36:28 AM »
I started my Wagyu integration project in 2004. If you have seen a Wagyu you know their phenotype is not for many people. The F1 crosses have all been black, and horned- and big horns, take them off early. You aren't going to win rate of gain, but the carcass is awesome. I steer all the bulls, and have retained the heifers. I breed all the heifers back to shorthorn, as my goal is to get back to purebred status. I know I have lost some of the carcass quality, but I feel it has improved my herd as a whole. I think it all depends on the strain of Wagyu you start with. Mine have given me the best udders I have seen on cows, and this has been carrying through. They are also easy fleshing. I am now up to mainly 7/8 and 15/16. And they don't look like Wagyu. And for the haters, Trump cleans up Wagyu in a couple cycles. If you really wanted to invest some money, you could utlilize DNA markers, and carry on the carcass qualities to a higher level.   
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 11:42:58 AM »
Link to a Wagyu breeding/feeding program. Paying premiums for Wagyu X calves.

https://imperialwagyubeef.com/wagyu-beef/

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 12:14:58 PM »
Very interesting chev........if one of those 7-8ths bull calf looked like a conventional Shorthorn yet had somehow retained the wygu "carcass" gene you would be setting on a gold mine. It might be a long shot. I always wondered......when would breeds of cattle essentially copyright their genes........so other breeds wouldn't steal them through an appendix program.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2019, 12:32:27 PM »
I should do more genetic testing to verify. I started off doing a bunch of the marbling and tenderness testing- I ended up going through the company, as the Association didn't recognize or record some of the tests. As time has passed, it has been harder to keep throwing money at the testing side. My end goal was/is to supply locker beef, that is superior to nearly everything else. I have a waiting list three years out, so somewhere I am doing good. Now if I had access to more pasture, and hay ground, and TIME, maybe I could expand.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2019, 01:13:49 PM »
How big are the Wygu calves? I was thinking about using them on some of my first calf clubby heifers (looking for calving ease) and then raising them for beef.

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2019, 02:08:58 PM »
Here is an excerpt from an older article in Drovers:

Johnson said several cattle breeds in Japan, Korea and China are bred to have very high marbling content. To compare, USDA choice beef usually is about 6 percent intramuscular fat, where Japanese Wagyu cattle produce about 30-35 percent intramuscular fat. He added high-end steakhouses in the U.S. have a huge demand for prime steaks with marbling, and those usually have about 6-8 percent marbling.

Asian cattle, however, are fed for much longer periods of time, close to three years in fact, where U.S. beef breeds are usually raised and harvested for meat between 18 and 22 months of age.

Johnson said the longer cattle feed, the more they are able to replace saturated fats with unsaturated fats, such as marbling. Cattle release an enzyme called stearoyl-CoA desaturase, which takes steric acid, a saturated acid, and saturates it to form double bonds to convert it into oleic acid.

"As the animal matures, it gets fatter, has more days on feed, it increases the activity or this enzyme," Johnson said. "So, in fact, we are creating more monounsaturated fat. The best way to get more oleic acid is to feed cattle longer."

Johnson said the genetics of cattle breeds used in the U.S. simply won't allow for marbling comparable to Asian breeds, although dairy breeds such as Holsteins, which make up about 20 percent of the beef cattle industry, do marble very well and without much backfat. U.S. beef producers would have to introduce Asian breeds to have cattle with high marbling, but because they feed so long it would not be economically feasible.

If you want to see the whole article: https://www.drovers.com/article/mysteries-marbling

 

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2019, 03:14:04 PM »
An Australian breeder is using red wagyu genetics from Heart Brand Cattle to primarily infuse into their santa shorthorn composites to improve their carcass grading. Wouldn't be surprised if they trial some in their shorthorns either.
The heart brand cattle look like nice cattle and their colour would work a lot better than black over shorthorns.
https://heartbrandcattle.com/

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2019, 04:08:21 PM »
The wygu influence deal would be a niche marketing deal. Your walmart deal is your low cost side.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2019, 04:44:20 PM »
I have been using Wagyu on my heifers for several years now.  I grass finish the calves and sell them as freezer beef.  The calves are nuts and no fun to work with, but the meat is tender.  When I ultra sounded my cows I found some Shorthorns that were as tender and marbled as well as Wagyu.  I do have a couple of Wagyu cows that I am playing with genetics wise.

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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2019, 11:45:20 PM »
I should do more genetic testing to verify. I started off doing a bunch of the marbling and tenderness testing- I ended up going through the company, as the Association didn't recognize or record some of the tests. As time has passed, it has been harder to keep throwing money at the testing side. My end goal was/is to supply locker beef, that is superior to nearly everything else. I have a waiting list three years out, so somewhere I am doing good. Now if I had access to more pasture, and hay ground, and TIME, maybe I could expand.//// Present it to Pharo and tell the world it is entirely his idea O0

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2019, 11:12:22 AM »
So far, I have not had a calf over 70lbs. Lots of vigor. The Wagyu I am using have been as tame as my shorthorns, but big horns. There are multiple strains of Wagyu, they kind of have their own "breeds" within the breed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2019, 02:18:49 PM »
So far, I have not had a calf over 70lbs. Lots of vigor. The Wagyu I am using have been as tame as my shorthorns, but big horns. There are multiple strains of Wagyu, they kind of have their own "breeds" within the breed.

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 06:54:23 PM »
So far, I have not had a calf over 70lbs. Lots of vigor. The Wagyu I am using have been as tame as my shorthorns, but big horns. There are multiple strains of Wagyu, they kind of have their own "breeds" within the breed.
My Wagyu calves come easy, they are built like snakes.  If you have found a line that are as tame as shorthorns you either have wild shorthorns or special wagyu.  Could you enlighten me as to the breed within the breed that is tame.

 

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