Interesting new Simmental A.I. bulls

Simmgal · Mar 11, 2012

What do you think of these guys? They are new to the Cattle Visions site!
http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/steelshot.php

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/Uproar.php

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/gunslinger.php

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/rampage.php

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/TripleC_Opportunity.php

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/mrrighton.php

OH Breeder · Mar 11, 2012

Steelshot- really like red
Mr Righton
(thumbsup)

Gargan · Mar 11, 2012

OH Breeder said:
Steelshot- really like red
Mr Righton
(thumbsup)

like these 2 as well, need to throw uproar in there. really like the looks he has, except always makes me wonder when a promo picture is taken on an incline.

Simmgal · Mar 11, 2012

Gargan said:
OH Breeder said:

Steelshot- really like red
Mr Righton
(thumbsup)

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like these 2 as well, need to throw uproar in there. really like the looks he has, except always makes me wonder when a promo picture is taken on an incline.

I love the Jade cow in Uproar's pedigree! I do see what you mean about the hill..

As far as Mr. Right On, I like his looks and his cow family. I bet some interesting things will come from him. It's always fun to see new bulls and wonder who will be brave enough to use them! ;D

PDJ · Mar 11, 2012

Gargan said:
like these 2 as well, need to throw uproar in there. really like the looks he has, except always makes me wonder when a promo picture is taken on an incline.

I was really excited by his BW to WW to YW spreads, until I saw the accuracies.

Gargan · Mar 11, 2012

PDJ said:
Gargan said:

like these 2 as well, need to throw uproar in there. really like the looks he has, except always makes me wonder when a promo picture is taken on an incline.

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I was really excited by his BW to WW to YW spreads, until I saw the accuracies.

and the fact that he is $40 per straw without a calf on the ground yet is a lil puzzling

Simmgal · Mar 12, 2012

Gargan said:
PDJ said:

Gargan said:

like these 2 as well, need to throw uproar in there. really like the looks he has, except always makes me wonder when a promo picture is taken on an incline.

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I was really excited by his BW to WW to YW spreads, until I saw the accuracies.

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and the fact that he is $40 per straw without a calf on the ground yet is a lil puzzling

Ya..that surprises me. You never know which ways the accuracies will go..

firesweepranch · Mar 12, 2012

Simmgal said:
Gargan said:

PDJ said:

Gargan said:

like these 2 as well, need to throw uproar in there. really like the looks he has, except always makes me wonder when a promo picture is taken on an incline.

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I was really excited by his BW to WW to YW spreads, until I saw the accuracies.

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and the fact that he is $40 per straw without a calf on the ground yet is a lil puzzling

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Ya..that surprises me. You never know which ways the accuracies will go..

The other thing is he is only an April, so freezing already??? Maybe that is why he is expensive, semen not readily available?

Gargan · Mar 12, 2012

Good point firesweepranch!

vcsf · Mar 12, 2012

You have the TESS Black Rampage bull listed. I saw this bull as a coming two year old and he looked good but not truly outstanding but I believe he had also bred a number of cows as a yearling.. Last Monday I attended a bull sale where some of his first sons sold. The sale topper at $9750 was sired by him and sold to NLC Simmental Ranch in South Dakota (the breeders of Upgrade) and the other two sons sold for $7000 and $5300. These three calves looked good. I believe that the sire of Rampage, Wheatland Bull 786T, is doing a very good job based on what I have seen and Rampage's granddam has been an exceptional cow for her owners producing many high dollar offspring

Simmgal · Mar 12, 2012

vcsf said:
You have the TESS Black Rampage bull listed. I saw this bull as a coming two year old and he looked good but not truly outstanding but I believe he had also bred a number of cows as a yearling.. Last Monday I attended a bull sale where some of his first sons sold. The sale topper at $9750 was sired by him and sold to NLC Simmental Ranch in South Dakota (the breeders of Upgrade) and the other two sons sold for $7000 and $5300. These three calves looked good. I believe that the sire of Rampage, Wheatland Bull 786T, is doing a very good job based on what I have seen and Rampage's granddam has been an exceptional cow for her owners producing many high dollar offspring

Thanks for the review! Would you happen to know what kind of cows he clicks with?

vcsf · Mar 12, 2012

Simmgal said:
vcsf said:

You have the TESS Black Rampage bull listed. I saw this bull as a coming two year old and he looked good but not truly outstanding but I believe he had also bred a number of cows as a yearling.. Last Monday I attended a bull sale where some of his first sons sold. The sale topper at $9750 was sired by him and sold to NLC Simmental Ranch in South Dakota (the breeders of Upgrade) and the other two sons sold for $7000 and $5300. These three calves looked good. I believe that the sire of Rampage, Wheatland Bull 786T, is doing a very good job based on what I have seen and Rampage's granddam has been an exceptional cow for her owners producing many high dollar offspring

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Thanks for the review! Would you happen to know what kind of cows he clicks with?

All I can really tell you is that the two higher selling bulls were both out of a Remington On Target (Red Label X G&L Avalanche) daughter. I am not sure how many purebred calves he would have sired in his first calf crop as an interest in him was sold to a Angus breeder and I believe that they ran the bull the first year. If you were interested I could give you contact information for both of these owners. I know both of them and think they would be quite upfront about the bull with you.

Simmgal · Mar 12, 2012

vcsf said:
Simmgal said:

vcsf said:

You have the TESS Black Rampage bull listed. I saw this bull as a coming two year old and he looked good but not truly outstanding but I believe he had also bred a number of cows as a yearling.. Last Monday I attended a bull sale where some of his first sons sold. The sale topper at $9750 was sired by him and sold to NLC Simmental Ranch in South Dakota (the breeders of Upgrade) and the other two sons sold for $7000 and $5300. These three calves looked good. I believe that the sire of Rampage, Wheatland Bull 786T, is doing a very good job based on what I have seen and Rampage's granddam has been an exceptional cow for her owners producing many high dollar offspring

Click to expand...

Thanks for the review! Would you happen to know what kind of cows he clicks with?

Click to expand...

All I can really tell you is that the two higher selling bulls were both out of a Remington On Target (Red Label X G&L Avalanche) daughter. I am not sure how many purebred calves he would have sired in his first calf crop as an interest in him was sold to a Angus breeder and I believe that they ran the bull the first year. If you were interested I could give you contact information for both of these owners. I know both of them and think they would be quite upfront about the bull with you.

I would appreciate that! Thank you!

firesweepranch · Mar 12, 2012

vcsf said:
You have the TESS Black Rampage bull listed. I saw this bull as a coming two year old and he looked good but not truly outstanding but I believe he had also bred a number of cows as a yearling.. Last Monday I attended a bull sale where some of his first sons sold. The sale topper at $9750 was sired by him and sold to NLC Simmental Ranch in South Dakota (the breeders of Upgrade) and the other two sons sold for $7000 and $5300. These three calves looked good. I believe that the sire of Rampage, Wheatland Bull 786T, is doing a very good job based on what I have seen and Rampage's granddam has been an exceptional cow for her owners producing many high dollar offspring

What sale was that? I would like to look it up and see pics. Thanks

vcsf · Mar 12, 2012

firesweepranch said:
vcsf said:

You have the TESS Black Rampage bull listed. I saw this bull as a coming two year old and he looked good but not truly outstanding but I believe he had also bred a number of cows as a yearling.. Last Monday I attended a bull sale where some of his first sons sold. The sale topper at $9750 was sired by him and sold to NLC Simmental Ranch in South Dakota (the breeders of Upgrade) and the other two sons sold for $7000 and $5300. These three calves looked good. I believe that the sire of Rampage, Wheatland Bull 786T, is doing a very good job based on what I have seen and Rampage's granddam has been an exceptional cow for her owners producing many high dollar offspring

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What sale was that? I would like to look it up and see pics. Thanks

Here is a link to the catalog.

http://www.bouchardlivestock.com/pdf/2012/feb/Ashworth%20Catalogue%20WEB.pdf

The Rampage sons are lots 58,59, and 60. Lot 58 was the high seller and looked far, far better in person than in the picture.

Here is a link to the full sale results.

http://www.bouchardlivestock.com/pdf/2012/march/ashworth_sale_results.pdf

CAB · Mar 12, 2012

I saw Gunslinger @ Nichols Cryo here about a month ago & was impressed with him and have him marked down as a bull to watch, but I will realistically probably not use him @ that price on a commercial herd. There are just too many good bulls to use that are more prooven.

Pleasant Grove Farms · Mar 12, 2012

I believe our breed is crying out for some maternally orientated sires...
look at the milk EPDs on almost all of these new bulls; almost all or negative or
at least barely positive.
when the Simmental breed originally came into the United States, MILK was
one of their assets...they were known as a dual purpose breed in Europe....
milk and meat.
As the breed has now evolved over time in the US, I believe we have lost sight of the milk aspect in lieu of color, show appeal; I would love to see a new bull
come onto the scene that offers phenotype and also has a milk epd of at least +6 and a maternal weaning epd of at least +20.

Simmgal · Mar 12, 2012

Pleasant Grove Farms said:
I believe our breed is crying out for some maternally orientated sires...
look at the milk EPDs on almost all of these new bulls; almost all or negative or
at least barely positive.
when the Simmental breed originally came into the United States, MILK was
one of their assets...they were known as a dual purpose breed in Europe....
milk and meat.
As the breed has now evolved over time in the US, I believe we have lost sight of the milk aspect in lieu of color, show appeal; I would love to see a new bull
come onto the scene that offers phenotype and also has a milk epd of at least +6 and a maternal weaning epd of at least +20.

http://cattlevisions.com/Simmental/LongShear%20Pleasure.php

Pleasant Grove Farms · Mar 12, 2012

I would hope to find a purebred;
not sure how this bull's YW epd is this high when Shear Force's is about only half that.

Interesting new Simmental A.I. bulls

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