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Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« on: June 28, 2021, 01:41:22 PM »
I think there will be some of you regular posters who would be really interested in this video.
If you just want to see the cattle then there is 2 minutes at the start. Some more at 31.30 and then again at 34.30.

https://youtu.be/daYdPZJsKFE


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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2021, 07:04:00 AM »
Good watch there. Thanks for posting
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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2021, 09:18:41 PM »
predators?

is there a similar video of a feral group of humans who live the ways of 10,000 years ago?

we should worship the past and eliminate the future.

nice video, but not sure of the point.


where are the 12 monks? did they reproduce?

« Last Edit: June 30, 2021, 09:19:31 PM by knabe »
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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2021, 02:49:56 AM »
predators?

nice video, but not sure of the point.

Don't think a seal could do them much harm.

Even though the whole video is interesting, the point I suppose was aimed at the cattle section of the video. There has been much discussion here about the shape of bulls and cows and what nature intended. The discussions have also touched upon easy fleshing cattle that need no extra input. I thought that in itself would be a point of interest.
These cattle obviously self select for ease of calving, and ability to survive on a small island all year round. I'd imagine the winters would be pretty harsh.
Also would you not imagine that natural selection would have arrived at cattle that are quite so large and thick. Any other cattle I have seen in natural habitats seem to gravitate towards the smaller and lighter end of the scale.

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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2021, 08:29:10 AM »
Thank you for sharing.  This is really interesting.  I like the look of the cattle, but some things dont make sense.  For example, how does that solid white cow have a solid white calf when all of the bulls are either solid black or solid red?  It seems like theyve been feral for a short enough period of time that their hides would be more splotchy if they had a lot of Shorthorn in them.  Also, it looks like the feed is plenty enough where the population would be much denser or the vegetation much less.  Nonetheless, I enjoyed seeing this.  I had no idea.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2021, 08:39:29 AM by R180 »

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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2021, 09:04:31 AM »
Four generations not enough to make conclusions. Are all four generations alive?

How many have died. Is hybrid vigor still predominant?

Story is presented as conclusions where none are relevant yet.
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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2021, 09:05:57 AM »
Your point on type is taken though. Its still not clear what that might be after hybrid vigor disappears. Seem a couple semi feral herds go the opposite, something in between.
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« Last Edit: July 03, 2021, 01:43:19 PM by knabe »
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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2021, 09:36:11 PM »
ANYONE WHO HAS PAID ATTENTION TO THE SULLIVAN ANGUSXSHORTHORN STOCKMAN DEAL SURELY MUST REMEMBER THE ALL  WHITE HEIFER WITH BLACK IN HER EARS AND BLACK EYES SIRED BY FSF HARDLINE a black 50% bull by HARDCORE BRED TO THE ALL BLACK STOCKMAN COW -THAT WHITE COW AND CALF IN THE VIDEO EXEMPLIFY THE WHITES THAT COME OUT OF SHORTHORN ANGUS XS (FROM REAL SHORTHORNS AND REAL ANGUS) THAT I SAW IN ENGLAND AND IRELAND IN 1991 ESPECIALLY AT EDWARD QUANES DEERPARK, JOHN MALONEY HIGH FIELD AND PADDY O MALLYS BANKER TO ALOT OF THOSE BREEDERS  MOOT POINT-THERE IS SHORTHORN DNA IN EVERY ABERDEEN ANGUS-THOSE CATTLE LEFT IN 1974 PROBABLY GO BACK TO SOME OF THE FEW LONG TERM  UNDISTURBED GENETIC POOLS ANYWHERE THAT I KNOW OF  OTHER THAN (SHORTHORN) THE HAUMONT CATTLE IN NEBRASKA O0

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Re: Isle of Swona. Feral Angus/Shorthorn cattle herd.
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2021, 09:45:29 PM »
predators?

nice video, but not sure of the point.

Don't think a seal could do them much harm.

Even though the whole video is interesting, the point I suppose was aimed at the cattle section of the video. There has been much discussion here about the shape of bulls and cows and what nature intended. The discussions have also touched upon easy fleshing cattle that need no extra input. I thought that in itself would be a point of interest.
These cattle obviously self select for ease of calving, and ability to survive on a small island all year round. I'd imagine the winters would be pretty harsh.
Also would you not imagine that natural selection would have arrived at cattle that are quite so large and thick. Any other cattle I have seen in natural habitats seem to gravitate towards the smaller and lighter end of the scale.  WELL PUT AND SEEMS THE UNINITIATED ENTIRELY MISSED THE POINT NOT A NEW OCCURRENCE ON HERE GREAT FILM I REALLY LIKED IT AND NOT JUST FOR THE CATTLE-SEEMS WE ARE BLESSED WITH IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION MINDSETS WITH BASICALLY ANTISEPTIC VISIONS OF ANY AND ALL ON HERE- BASICALLY NO AFFINITY WHATSOEVER TO A VERY UNDERSTATED BUT BEAUTIFUL AND SUBTLE FILM THAT SPANS MANY YEARS WITH THE REALIZATION THAT THINGS AND SIMPLE VALUES THAT MEANT SOMETHING FOR GENERATIONS HAVE COME TO AN END-IN THE SAME MANNER THAT A HANDSHAKE NO LONGER MEANS ANYTHING THOSE CATTLE HAVE ALOT OF TRAITS THAT WOULD DO ALOT OF CATTLE GOOD-ITS REALLY A SHAME A COUPLE OF THOSE BULLS COULDNT BE COLLECTED JMO ANOTHER fancy boy KIP FARO aint got nothing like them nor are HIS CONSTANT BRAGADACIOS RE LITTLE CATTLE anywhere near the size and scale OF THESE CATTLE THANKS AND CONSIDER THE SOURCE O0
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