its ALL red, white, and roan under the hide!

So why does #3 make the most profit?

trevorgreycattleco said:

So why does #3 make the most profit?

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i only briefly looked at it, but red might mean loss. 

i'll re-look at it. 

it shows a loss in the column

in a previous column

Total Cost / cwt Gain
$102.90
$106.86
$124.57
$97.30

notice also the grade was select.  adg was abysmal.  it had the lowest value/cwt

only values are in the spreadsheet so i can't track calculations without verifying them by hand.

perhaps this steer just had more bone, therefore had more muscle.

Here is the cow and steer #3 pics from last summer. Cow will be 12 in October. Udder looks exactly like it does on freshening day.




[Cows pedigree:

    I605697 DEERPARK IMPROVER 19TH
  3807924 PM PHA-F TH-C DEERPARK IMPROVER 57
    I217596 DEERPARK SCARLET 11TH
Sire: *x3989821 PHA-F TH-F NPS DURANGO 774 CBH ET
    3744349 PHA-F TH-F LEN RU T A LEADER
  *x3869997 PS PHA-F TH-F KA'BA ROSE T90
    *xAR14708 PS PHA-F TH-F KA'BA MARY ROSE 88T

    *x3840687 PM AFK POWERPLAY
  *x3876099 PM ROCKDALE POWERDREAM 914
    x3822450 PS AF MARGIE 78
Dam: *x3939953 MARTINDELL STYLISH 613
    *3834507 SMF TENNESSEE
  *3863550 MS PAINT ROCK
    *AR4026 SMF MS LOUDON COUNTY

so how did previous calves from this cow do?

Where does it state the price paid for the calves?  
It basically cost the same to feed these four animals.
#3 had zero medical,#3 weighed 875 in weight almost 100lbs. heavier than anything else and finished about the same 100lbs heavier.  So in this case it seems that lbs won out (which it always does when you have similar cattle grades).  The choice select spread was what at that time?  A better example would be calves that started out at the same weight, but even then some would be worth more or less than the others at different finishes (genetics, environment).  Some calves it pays to feed longer some it doesn't they are all different.  Different genetics will do better or worse on different rations.
Heavier carcasses are in right now.  I've been told on the hog side right now that the heavier the carcass the more things pencil out right now (clear up to 330lbs live weight, if it's 331 its cull).  Also I noticed National Beef has upped the carcass weight that is acceptable (they now accept 1050lb. carcass with no deducts vrs. 1000 before).  

nate53 said:

Where does it state the price paid for the calves?  

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even if one is fed longer and gains at a lower rate than other animals?

Cost at delivery was 1231.4
Cost at sale was 1495.53
Cost of being at lot 556.71
Net value is 938.71

938.71 - 1231.4 =  292.69. A loss

It was obviously more profitable to sell it as a calf.

The feeder lost so may have second thought next time.

On a balance sheet red means loss.

How was this data obtained?

The steer needed to be purchased at a value of 292 less to break even.

someone at least had a good eye or a tool to feed it to 0.4 back fat.

knabe said:

It was obviously more profitable to sell it as a calf.

The feeder lost so may have second thought next time.

On a balance sheet red means loss.

How was this data obtained?

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I'm an idiot you are a genius! ;D
I shouldn't post after 8pm. anymore
Maybe I should re look at my bank statement for red?

knabe said:

so how did previous calves from this cow do?

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I dropped off 2 previous steers from this cow at the sale barn. I have a 1st calf heifer by her out of JSF Jazz 34S (looks like her mom about 2 fram scores smaller) who has an Osage daughter at side. She has a Dover female on her this summer. I have owned this cow since 2008. Always weans a big calf. Big cow=big calf right? What kills the profitability is the poor ADG. I pay the same daily feed and yardage bill at the feed yard as the guys who's steers are gaining 4 pounds per day (the average ADG for the 250 IBEEF calves this year was 3.52).  Maybe the shorties ate less? Obviously would have been better off dropping these steers last fall for $1.20 at the sale barn. Health wise the calves were fine, had the least amount of shrink for the group shipping from southern Indiana to western Iowa. The wet winter added a lot of mud in the feedyard and the pink slime debate didn't help overall. Will be sending at least 2 identical breedings this year along with a durham red and GoldCard steer.
Where is all the great state feedout data from the ASA?

do you have any opportunity to use a pinpointer system anywhere?

that way you could identify and stack adg plus efficiency, drop the select graders and be miles ahead with the breed if you also added bw.

i wish the pinpointer system wasn't so expensive.

knabe said:

trevorgreycattleco said:

So why does #3 make the most profit?

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i only briefly looked at it, but red might mean loss. 

i'll re-look at it. 

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I obviously haven't read to many spreadsheets!

cowdoc1973 said:

knabe said:

so how did previous calves from this cow do?

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I dropped off 2 previous steers from this cow at the sale barn. I have a 1st calf heifer by her out of JSF Jazz 34S (looks like her mom about 2 fram scores smaller) who has an Osage daughter at side. She has a Dover female on her this summer. I have owned this cow since 2008. Always weans a big calf. Big cow=big calf right? What kills the profitability is the poor ADG. I pay the same daily feed and yardage bill at the feed yard as the guys who's steers are gaining 4 pounds per day (the average ADG for the 250 IBEEF calves this year was 3.52).  Maybe the shorties ate less? Obviously would have been better off dropping these steers last fall for $1.20 at the sale barn. Health wise the calves were fine, had the least amount of shrink for the group shipping from southern Indiana to western Iowa. The wet winter added a lot of mud in the feedyard and the pink slime debate didn't help overall. Will be sending at least 2 identical breedings this year along with a durham red and GoldCard steer.
Where is all the great state feedout data from the ASA?

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I want top see how the entire group did, not just yours, Cowdoc.
GB

What we need to get, are more South African, New Zealand, and Argentine Shorthorn breeding into our US-bred Shorthorns. However, international Politics, and how they negatively affect, or, in this case PREVENT necessary things like this from being possible, are annoying....for now.

HOWEVER...the price of grain/ethanol situation will prompt the need for finding grass-finishing cattle. Even US-bred Herefords and Black Angus won't work in this scenario. They've been bred for growth and/or feedlot performance on GRAIN for the past 40 years. All the Nay-sayers who smirk and scowl at guys like Gerald Fry will one day pay attention to his field notes.

It'll be interesting to see how this deal plays out in the long haul.

GB

Garybob,
Here are results for all steers in the 2012 program. I was cooperator number 9.

garybob said:

What we need to get, are more South African, New Zealand, and Argentine Shorthorn breeding into our US-bred Shorthorns. However, international Politics, and how they negatively affect, or, in this case PREVENT necessary things like this from being possible, are annoying....for now.

HOWEVER...the price of grain/ethanol situation will prompt the need for finding grass-finishing cattle. Even US-bred Herefords and Black Angus won't work in this scenario. They've been bred for growth and/or feedlot performance on GRAIN for the past 40 years. All the Nay-sayers who smirk and scowl at guys like Gerald Fry will one day pay attention to his field notes.

It'll be interesting to see how this deal plays out in the long haul.

GB

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Your exactly right IMO. Just from the few friends I have made on Facebook it's easy to see those cattle are way good and way different. They can buy semen and embryos from us but not the other way around. I know it's supposedly over hoof and mouth disease but give me a break. I would love to use a bunch of those bulls.