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« on: November 11, 2009, 12:37:25 PM »
Was wondering about your thoughts on this bull now owned by select sires. breeding for some fall heifers and sexed semen is available. the cows are some bigger framed waukaru cows. they go back to prima donna and primary. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 01:50:24 PM »
We discussed him just about a monthh ago. There was some good info in the thread. I will do a search and see if I can bring the topic back up. He is about 15 miles from my house at Select but they won't let anyone in to see him becuz of "germs"?? They told me to look at the video on line if I wanted to see him.  
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 02:13:07 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 04:53:39 PM »
We discussed him just about a monthh ago. There was some good info in the thread. I will do a search and see if I can bring the topic back up. He is about 15 miles from my house at Select but they won't let anyone in to see him becuz of "germs"?? They told me to look at the video on line if I wanted to see him.  


  That is the biggest bunch of crap...."germ".  I managed the bulls at Interglobe Genetics in IL for better than 5 years. We collected  and housed bulls for several major semen companies. A pair of 50 cent plastic boots will take care of the "germ" problem. For what they paid for him they better hope they sell some semen on him. To do that they better realize people want to see more than a video.  They should realize the Assoc. has been beating the commercial drum for years and for what? Ya I hope this post gets some people fired up. Nate use his daddy Proud Jazz. He is probably more in line for what you want to do. Steers that feed and moderate heifers with the look. I am not saying he is a bad bull....not one bit. I am saying I am not buying the germ excuse!!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 06:59:06 PM »
We discussed him just about a monthh ago. There was some good info in the thread. I will do a search and see if I can bring the topic back up. He is about 15 miles from my house at Select but they won't let anyone in to see him becuz of "germs"?? They told me to look at the video on line if I wanted to see him.  


  That is the biggest bunch of crap...."germ".  I managed the bulls at Interglobe Genetics in IL for better than 5 years. We collected  and housed bulls for several major semen companies. A pair of 50 cent plastic boots will take care of the "germ" problem. For what they paid for him they better hope they sell some semen on him. To do that they better realize people want to see more than a video.  They should realize the Assoc. has been beating the commercial drum for years and for what? Ya I hope this post gets some people fired up. Nate use his daddy Proud Jazz. He is probably more in line for what you want to do. Steers that feed and moderate heifers with the look. I am not saying he is a bad bull....not one bit. I am saying I am not buying the germ excuse!!!!!!

Believe me I am with you. I have talked to some others in the Ohio Shorthorn Association and they ahve seen him. It just depends on who you are as to how much the germs worry them. I think its a load of #^%t too. You would think they would want people to come and see him and BUY. It definitely makes me want to stick with his father or 100 Gizmo semen because I know what I am getting.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 08:14:22 PM »
Some of these studs do not allow anyone to view their bulls, as they want you to only see the pictures and videos that show the bulls in their best light.

Several years ago, we leased a 10 month old bull to ABS. We had purchased him to use in our herd and had paid close to $9000 for possession and 2/3 semen interest. ABS wanted him to go directly to their stud in Wisconsin and we were told that we should have the bull back to use in time to use him the following spring.  When spring arrived, we were told that they wanted to continue to collect the bull as semen sales were keeping their inventory very low. We reluctantly agreed to this, thinking we should be collecting some good royalty cheques to make up for not having him for natural service. One year after he had gone to stud, I stopped at DeForest, Wisconsin and asked if I could see the bull. I was told the same BS, and the ABS staff said that no visitors were allowed in their barns, because of the chance of disease. I was determined to see the bull, and after talking with several different ABS staff, I finally was told that they would take me to see the bull. After putting on my plastic shoes, a plastic hat to cover my head, I was taken to a building that housed the bulls. The bulls were kept in total darkness. There was absolutely no windows in the building at all. When the lights were turned on the barn errupted,with bulls roaring and pawing saw dust into the air. Probably 90% of the bulls were dairy bulls, 5% Brahman bulls and 5% beef bulls. My bull was tied in a concrete pen with a large logging chain tight around his neck and securely tied to the wall. He could move about 3 foot to reach a water fountain. He had another 4 foot of large logging chain bolted to his nose ring, and this chain just drug on the ground.

To say that I was shocked is an understatement. I asked how long he had been tied in that pen, and I was told he had been tied there since he arrived over a year previously.The only time he moved was to be collected and he was moved about 20 feet from his pen to a collection stall and then back to his stall.  I could not see any hay anywhere in the barn, so I asked what they fed the bulls. I found out that the bulls were fed a pelleted ration twice a day that contained some fiber in it. The bulls in the barn looked like greyhounds as they had no guts to them at all. When we left the lights were turned off again and the barn went silent again.

I told the guy that had taken me to see my bull, that I was not impressed with what I had seen. He then said that maybe I now understood why they don't allow visitors to their bull barns. I told him that I wanted the bull returned to my farm as soon as possible. It took me 6 more months to finally get the bull home. When he returned, he was crippled up, he had no hair, and even though I was careful to only let him out into the sunlight for about 1 hour a day, his entire body sunburnt, and peeled. I had to cover his body with skin cream to relieve the sunburn. After a few weeks he was able to walk fairly normally again and I turned him out with a group of cows. He would follow cows that were in heat, but he never tried to breed any of them. We used him as a gomer for the following two springs and not once did this bull try to breed a cow. His semen was fine but he simply would not mount or try to mount.

To add insult to injury, I received less than $700 in royalty's from ABS ( for my share) and ended up with a $9000 gomer bull. I know that semen from this bull was marketed around the world and I also know that several thousand doses were sold and the entire inventory was sold in the next three years.

I am not saying that Select Sires is doing the same thing, and I certainly hope ABS have smartened up in their management practices. I am just saying that there may be other reasons other than " chance of disease" that no one can see the bulls at a stud.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 08:23:47 PM »
JIT - you're a better man than I am! I'm afraid I would have came clear uncorked on that one. I've never exactly been bashful anyway but I would have had to have a piece of somebodies backside. RW
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 04:58:30 AM »

 I assure you if you would drive to Interglobe Genetics in Pontiac IL,NO bulls would you find being treated like the past story. It is true that some show bulls need to shed some weight to get better semen. The bulls at  Interglobe are fed well. All bulls have at least a 12 x 12 pen. I must agree if I pulled into any stud and my $9000 bull was in that condition some heads would roll. 

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 08:46:05 AM »
Yeah, Interglobe isn't that bad at all. I will tell you that it's better now than it was a few years ago though.  We take our bulls there, and they seem to be at least well fed and can definitely move around a lot more than what JIT was talking about.  I still like to get them collected for a couple weeks and then bring them home, and take them back again if need be, but we don't have quite the demand for semen like some of you guys.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 10:41:47 AM »
Justintime-this reminds me of what happened to me at a farm in Ohio where you briefly stopped ater a big $ Indiana sale. 4-5 hiefers sold the year before from 1500-5800-and another at 5200+- I got 2500-the next sale the calves brought 12-13000-I got 700-and a bogus "care bill" for $19000-the cattle had been there 8 months-were starving-and were held hostage-forcing me to give away several-including a 2nd place national show hiefer I had put 3800-in for my half. Mark Mueller was kind enough to help out and Im selling off my herd. When something like that happens-I wont even go to Louisville or Denver-just seeing those people woild ruin the trip-and Im not quite the gentleman you are-Id probably lose my temper. Total losses-$21000+- >:( >:(

 

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