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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2019, 01:27:37 PM »
If you are in the Indiana area you should get a hold of Chad Ennis and make a stop at Shady Maple Farms. They have a lot of really nice shorthorns and shorthorn pluses. They utilize a lot of out cross genetics and their cows have to meet commercial standards. Phenotypically their cattle seem to match what you are looking for.

A couple more places to visit would be Ed Meyer Shorthorns and Meyer Family Shorthorns (Alan Meyer). They both have great shorthorn herds that don't get as much publicity as they should. Both farms have a wide array of genetics as well.

There is something for everyone at these farms and if you got the time they are all worth the visit.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2019, 03:16:31 PM »
That roan is real nice-kinda looks like a hi $ Cates cow or at least may nave some of that breeding O0
Thanks Mark! I actually got the opportunity to buy her in March and her bull calf by JDMC Standout looks like a real stud so far, we're probably going to retain him as our next herd sire since he'll be an outcross to everything else we have and likely everything else I plan to buy. Here is her reg #x4206998 she's a Deerhorn by Alta Cedar Samurai out of a Homedale Flash cow.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2019, 03:22:26 PM »
If you are in the Indiana area you should get a hold of Chad Ennis and make a stop at Shady Maple Farms. They have a lot of really nice shorthorns and shorthorn pluses. They utilize a lot of out cross genetics and their cows have to meet commercial standards. Phenotypically their cattle seem to match what you are looking for.

A couple more places to visit would be Ed Meyer Shorthorns and Meyer Family Shorthorns (Alan Meyer). They both have great shorthorn herds that don't get as much publicity as they should. Both farms have a wide array of genetics as well.

There is something for everyone at these farms and if you got the time they are all worth the visit.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll certainly look into them

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2019, 05:02:25 PM »
If you are in the Indiana area you should get a hold of Chad Ennis and make a stop at Shady Maple Farms. They have a lot of really nice shorthorns and shorthorn pluses. They utilize a lot of out cross genetics and their cows have to meet commercial standards. Phenotypically their cattle seem to match what you are looking for.

A couple more places to visit would be Ed Meyer Shorthorns and Meyer Family Shorthorns (Alan Meyer). They both have great shorthorn herds that don't get as much publicity as they should. Both farms have a wide array of genetics as well.

There is something for everyone at these farms and if you got the time they are all worth the visit.//// ED Meyer has some of the better Shorthorns I know of-And a great guy If you want show cattle a person can afford that will compete with the big names like cates and the Sullivan breeding-His cattle are as good as they get-They are a different phenotype and alot thicker than the maternal types tho.If you want to sell calves for kids to show-You really need to take that into consideration.Because there are ALOT of good cattle in Minnesota and iowa-Wisconsin-Dont know if he still has horns-but he  always has top notch cattle and some like: lucky Charm and Williams Nat Jr Show winner  had a major effect on the breed-Curt Lehman in Wisconsin If they dont look the part-you might be wasting time marketing for county or otherwise as far as steers.. DTR has a pretty good mix and those cattle live in VERY harsh conditions so they HAVE to be maternal to survive there.-They have won Divisions and Grand Champs  consistently at ALL the national deals and at state fairs-Both with Plusses and Purebreds-I think its Katrina Moe in Minnesota who has shown and won with a plus or two from them in Minnesota every year for the past 4 or 5 years.Dont forget Tenn and KY-The breeders down there have gone to major expense to get the most competitive genetics-the cattle ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THE MARKET DICTATES THERE O0
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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2019, 06:27:26 PM »
The Haumont herd has been brought up several times in the cow families post, and I'm curious if this is a herd that would be worth investigating for foundation females? I'd never heard of them before these discussions (at least not that I can recall) but then I saw their ad in the shorthorn country this month and noticed they're all Native cattle.
From my understanding, the Native shorthorns aren't really going to achieve what I'm after in regards to feedlot performance and competitiveness in the show ring, but I've never gone out of my way to look at a herd of Native shorthorns.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2019, 06:47:04 AM »
This is there 100th year of raising Shorthorns, I think you will find their influence in a lot oof cattle around the country.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2019, 11:05:10 PM »
Another herd that is not pampered is  Albaugh Ranch. They don't worry about show but are very practical cattle with very good udders and quality meat.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2019, 02:52:49 PM »
You should make a trip to the great white north. There are so many great herds who are relatively unknown other than oh yeah I have seen that prefix. But most go unrecognized because they arent in the show ring. I could name off herds from Alberta to Ontario worth a very strong look for cattle ( sorry BC and east coast I dont know enough of you yet) and most have their own program that drives them.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2019, 02:26:44 PM »
You should make a trip to the great white north. There are so many great herds who are relatively unknown other than oh yeah I have seen that prefix. But most go unrecognized because they arent in the show ring. I could name off herds from Alberta to Ontario worth a very strong look for cattle ( sorry BC and east coast I dont know enough of you yet) and most have their own program that drives them.

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I'm actually just starting to look into going up to Crooked Post in Alberta. I'm not sure where I'd fly into, but any recommendations around there? I have time for a 3 day weekend up there in July, or I can wait until September and tour for closer to a week if needed.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2019, 07:45:38 PM »
This is there 100th year of raising Shorthorns, I think you will find their influence in a lot oof cattle around the country./// Deertrail used Haumont cattle too -this really should be in the other thred but-Bartels Brothers bought a very spry but old cow linebred to a Goliath x Haumont deal-I dont want to sound pompous the pair didnt bring much-she wasnt big at all-maybe due to malnutrician when she was young- DEERTRAIL WAS A NOTORIOUSLY HARD ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL YOU BIG TUFF SCAIRY TEXANS OUT THERE-Plus she had one horn that grew back and with all that was a great looking moderate cow from range conditions and maybe 13 at the time-But she had JMO -along with Bartels A BEAUTIFUL white bull calf sired by JR WALKER-who in his very short life of 1 calf crop and one more heifer-really hit it with females but not bulls-  Long story short BARTELS registered over 60 calves out of this calf -DTR WHITE LIGHTNING 4015110 -and if they collected him Im gonna use him too-thats a link to cattle some of which would be 60 years old now-AND AS HAROLD HOSKINS SAID-"THE MAINE DUAL THING WORKS "(REITORATE OR add that to the other thread FOR ALL THE FOLKS AT HOME- LOL) O0
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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2019, 08:47:20 AM »
Another herd you might consider is Dan Deckert in South Dakota.

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2019, 10:14:55 AM »
Here are a couple cows I really like for an idea of the type I'm looking for. I'll also try to find the thread where I posted a pic of my best commercial cow because I can't find the pic on my phone right now.

Youll either have to believe me or spend a good bit of money of your own to figure it out but in order for that cow (or anybwith similar genetics) pictured to look as she appears its going to require a feed bucket around her neck daily.  You see that long anteater head? Well thats all thatll be left of her after being turned out in the pasture for a few weeks.

Lots of good suggestions on here -with the exception of the milking shorthorn outfits- OP asks about raising some show calves and milking lines are recommended  :o

If youre in Texas, couple guys, both of whom are running 100+ head of registered SHs.

 If you plan to lean more towards steers then Ahlschwede Shorthorns (AHL) is as good an option as I know of.  Thick attractive cattle that still have the ability to raise calves.  Talk about HARSH country.  Anywhere north of Texas is like a irrigated meadow compared to the environment these cattle produce under. 

For breeding stock/ show heifers: Blair Macbeath in Pittsburg, TX.  Real good dude I own a couple bulls with.  He has without question the highest dollar herd of cows who get ran like a commercial operation I know of.  At one point, he had more leader 13 daughters than anyone in the country. Lot of Improver/trump backcrossing.  I saw some calves out of his Trump son, whr Tyler, a couple weeks ago and they were very sharp.  Somebody that knows what theyre looking at could make a fortune buying calves from him and taking them to the Midwest.   I mean this guy has calves going to the sale barn that would be highlighting the majority of these show calf sales. 
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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2019, 04:28:00 PM »
You hit the nail on Mcbeth-hes had great cattle for a long time-He doesnt seem to advertise much-But he seems to keep adding pretty high end cattle. I think its a question of what the poster on this thread wants to produce-That seems pretty unclear given the directions and extended time periods the poster is talking about. Its like buying a few straws of semen at a bunch of different sales all over the country-then realizing hundreds in expenses trying to get it delivered.  I dont think anyone is going to sell any steers for kids to compete with out of native cattle or even straight performance cattle-Unless they excel in a carcass show and arent exhibited on the hoof.Its a shame but there were alot of great functional-show  cattle down there and in Oklahoma that had to work in tough conditions Many  have dissapeared in the last 15 years or are backing way down. -Due to untimely passings or just the age of the breeders. People like Taylors, Joe Ferris (hes Angus now-he was a hell of a breeder) Plumtree, Robinson,Stevens,Littlefield Jett Gardner Bucholtz and a slew of others I called one pioneer (of sorts) breeder in Northern Texas who has been consigning alot to Oklahoma sales a few months ago and he said-"Im 89 and I'm gettin out of this deal". O0

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2019, 07:07:20 AM »
To me thats the coolest thing about shorthorn cattle, there are so many different breeders going in different directions and there are so many damn good cattle for what ever you are trying to do.  I wish the association would put more time into the good cattle that arent just show cattle...think we tried that for a minute and he/they got shoved out the door by the show cattle people.  I love the show cattle thing, but dang, the breed has so much going for it other than just show cattle!!! There are so many small unknowns out there with tremendous cattle that havent been discovered by the amsses yet.  Look at the ignorance of the new people to this site...like ska, ...that person just doesnt understand what there is out there.  wish the association would spend more time on the little people that make the breed.  I know they dont generate the dollars and its just not good busininess short term...but long term with the big picture in mind there are so many others thing the breed has to offer than just show cattel.  mark has a great idea of cattle that can do a liitle of both....that what we need

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Re: Less well known Shorthorn herds
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2019, 11:09:54 AM »
Any recommendations in the Pennsylvania area? I'll be out there next month for a Genex meeting, and I should have time to fit in a tour.

 

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