Line breeding

I've been told several times that I need to breed my cow (Power Express X Trump cow) to a bull sired by trump. I'm new to cattle and am not sure about this. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions?

Thanks,
Jordan

Line breeding works some of the time. And usually it's a great or a horrible outcome. Most times you don't get by with a so so calf. That's why cross breeding works so well. You get farther away from the general population of the 2 parent breeds. I am not a fan of line breeding but that's just my opinion.

Linebreeding can be a useful tool to help fix a type. You wouldn't use it if the individuals were were not close to what you wanted, even then you can't guarantee it will work. We have used a lot of linebreeding in our herd. I know there are a lot of animals linebred to Trump but we don't have that bloodline so can't really comment on the outcome.

If it works the calf is line bred, if it doesn't it's inbred  (lol)

Linebreeding would be like taking a heifer to her grandpa(either side).  Inbreeding is brother to a sister.  Linebreeding is done in the dog business alot.  You either get something really awesome or you bring in some deformities you dont want.  The good thing about dogs is you usually have at least six picks to have that one really nice pup.  With a cow you usually only have one born at a time.  Hope this helps some.

Thank you for all of the comments!

If you want to see some really nice linebred cattle go to duff cattle company website.  They have alot of tight linebred and line bred cattle at there operations.  Good luck!!!!

crushertown said:

  You either get something really awesome or you bring in some deformities you dont want. 

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just for clarity, you don't "bring in" deformities.  you find them if they are there.  two individuals related many generations back could have perpetuated the same deformity and when mated produce the same deformity that two sibs both being carriers as well produce the deformity.

linebreeding is mating techniques to concentrate an individual or individuals as well as alleles.  a difficult form of linebreeding would be to make every allele heterozygous, something one could obviously sort of accomplish by mating two very linebred individuals.

crushertown said:

Linebreeding would be like taking a heifer to her grandpa(either side).  Inbreeding is brother to a sister.  Linebreeding is done in the dog business alot.  You either get something really awesome or you bring in some deformities you dont want.  The good thing about dogs is you usually have at least six picks to have that one really nice pup.  With a cow you usually only have one born at a time.  Hope this helps some.

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that is not true.. linebreeding and inbreeding are the same thing.. just depends on who is talking about it, and their views of it...  Linebreeding is much "newer" term. 

there are several linebreeding scemes..  father/ daughter, brother/sister, mother/son, son/granddaughter, or just trying to focus on a certain individuals number of times within a pedigree close up. 

In england, they reccomend breeding a male, back to his mother.. with this, they find out his "problems".  I like to keep this in mind when mating the first go around with young studs.

glad knabe commented already and fortified what i was going to say. line breeeding doesnt make deformities its just amplifies(raises the occurance) of seeing them, it can also give you better odds of having favorable traits.
The angus breed was caught up in this lately due to 'linebreeding" a few specific genetic lines and suddenly freaks such as AM and NH

Show Steaks said:

The angus breed was caught up in this lately due to 'linebreeding" a few specific genetic lines and suddenly freaks such as AM and NH

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the angus breed didn't do it correctly.  it found problems and didn't tell anyone.  the hereford breed warned them in the 50's, but they knew better and called themselves the defect free breed.

linebreeding also works the other way.. after decades, and generations, coupled with notes and knowlege about using known trusted genetics..

linebreeding will weed out the junk, and be left with the elite.  The key is being dedicated to linebreeding more and more. 

you can say that the truth but as much as you want to believe a "th free" and a"th free" shorthorn cant form an oddity after countless years of line breeding cant turn up a carrier your kidding yourself. an animal can test negative but still be a carrier of the defect in it's genetic makeup

Show Steaks said:

you can say that the truth but as much as you want to believe a "th free" and a"th free" shorthorn cant form an oddity after countless years of line breeding cant turn up a carrier your kidding yourself. an animal can test negative but still be a carrier of the defect in it's genetic makeup

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As I used to tell one of my cousin's when she was younger.. Taryn! Speak English! 

Seriously, I have no idea what you are implying... 

The original TH problem was just a mutation to the DNA, and from that point, it has bred on and continued to propigate.  Carrier cattle are just that, carriers..  It's not the linebreeding that caused the problem, its just a simple mutation that did.  It's the linebreeding that helped spread it, as the possiblity of two "related" carrier animals just happend to "show up" in a pedigree. 

I firmly believe that Trump bred cattle will "make" a new genetic defect within several years.  Not because they "create" the problem, but because there is so many of them, and they are being linebred together enough to "once accidentally" mate to "unknown" "carrier" cattle together.  Then someone finds the problem, spreads the word.. and BAM we have a new problem... 

I would guess that there are many genetic defects out there right now, that knowone knows anything about..  Some guy here, and some guy across the world have had dead calves, or deformed calves born, and just shrugged it off as nothing to worry about.. Just don't mate that cow back to that bull, they all say.  I bet the good ole linebreeding programs do the same thing.. Heck, at our place about 15 years ago, we had a calf born with 3 bottom jaws, and 3 tonges.  The top portion of its skull was normal..  Was it triplets that fused together, or just a genetic defect?  Knowbody knows!  it do no we kept the calf alive, and it was going to make it.. but after 2 weeks we decided to put it out of its misery. 

Show Steaks said:

an animal can test negative but still be a carrier of the defect in it's genetic makeup

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kinda like a good looking wife beater? 

Hey that reminds me....did nebraska keep their coach? Just kidding a and t. ;D

Inceists the best...unless it comes out with two heads and eight legs. ;D

presidency requires line breeding to washington

http://www.geni.com/blog/look-whos-related-george-washington-and-all-the-presidents/

knabe said:

presidency requires line breeding to washington

http://www.geni.com/blog/look-whos-related-george-washington-and-all-the-presidents/

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don't you hate it when you discuss those 'once removed' business, it's like..  "If they kicked them out of the family-- why do they count"? <rock> (clapping)