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Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« on: October 19, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »
I'm looking for more info on some bulls...

Red Angus
LCC MAJOR LEAGUE A502M  832407
BECKTON LANCER F442 T  533603

Angus
SVF La Grand design 102m Reg: AAA 14521562  (I think)
lutton
par fivestar 203-- (can't find on AAA website)

Sim
GW LUCKY DICE 187H   2002092

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 05:58:22 PM »
found it
P A R Five Star 203Reg: AAA 14487803

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 06:59:31 PM »
R A Bulls - Majoe League - Pretty inconsistant. I saw 6 flushmate sisters that ranged from frame score 4 to frame score 8, short and squatty to tall and thin. They were all out of a donor cow that had been flushed to several other bulls successfully and out of 11 Major League calves there was not a "good one" in the bunch. I've never seen one that has impressed me.
    Lancer - Will moderate a Low Line and take it's hair with it.
All in all I think there are alot of better bulls in the Red breed to piock from. JMHO. RW
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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 07:06:18 PM »
interesting rw, i don't plan on using either one, but recently saw some daughters of both.  I'd say you're right the lancer's were very small...

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 11:14:45 AM »
got a couple more to add to the list

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bushs grand design
svf grand finale

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star wars

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 01:30:09 PM »
lucky dice has the spotter gene. Really good carcass qualities.
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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 03:37:35 PM »
Yes, Lucky Dice has the spotter gene but can be used on non spotter cows which would include all Angus cows.  He makes a really nice cross on Angus.  The cow needs to have some milk in the pedigree for the mating to work.  The bulls out of dice are easy to sell--thick, attractive with good dispositions.

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 09:39:27 PM »
what is this spotter gene??? I don't  know much bout sim's...

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 09:48:14 PM »
if they have the spotter gene it means they can throw white. I think he is homo black but can paint one up if bred to the wrong cow
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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 10:37:25 AM »
The spotter gene is what makes many of the old style Simmentals look like Holsteins.  It is a recessive gene so an animal has to have two copies of the gene for it to be expressed or for the animal to be spotted.  Many modern day Simmentals may appear solid black or red but still have one gene for spotting.  So it is possible for two solid colored animals to have offspring that are spotted.  Since spotted calves are docked at the sale barn it is not a desirable trait.  Lucky Dice, Lucky Strike, Built Right are just a few of the black Simmental bulls that have the spotter gene.  As long as you use them on cows that do not have the spot gene then all is well.  Other genes influence white on the head, legs and belly.  The spotter gene only refers to white accross the sides or back.

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 11:11:45 AM »
the spotter gene, in the case of wanting to make calves with alot of chrome and color... would be a good thing... 

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2009, 11:14:43 AM »
Wouldn't it be nice if the ASA herdbook listed animals that carry the spotting gene. I do my best to avoid it.
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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2009, 12:49:09 PM »
I would agree with most of what was said about Lucky Dice...except for his temperment.  Many of the females I have seen sired by him have an attitude....some a BIG problem and don't stick around long at our place!

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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2009, 03:09:42 PM »
found it
P A R Five Star 203Reg: AAA 14487803

Five Star
Birth Date: 4/7/03      Birth Weight: 60       Reg.#: 14487803
EPDs:    B.Wt. -3.4        W.Wt. +36    Y.Wt. +68    Milk +18
Frame: 4.8   Mature Wt.: 2000+   Price: $12/straw; $35/certifcate
 
Our Genetic Predictions
  Fleshing Ability: ****
  Calving Ease: *****
  Disposition: *****
  Longevity: ****
  Udder: *****

    
    Five Star is a very heavily used Homer son out of a Night Man daughter. He has guaranteed calving ease bred into both sides of his pedigree. Five Stars birth weight EPD is in the top one half of 1% of the Angus breed. His $EN value is in the top 20% of the Angus breed. Five Stars daughters are the keeping kind. His sons averaged over $4500 in our 2008 Spring Bull Sale. Five Star is co-owned with the Flying S Ranch and Dallas Anderson.

This is taken from Kit Pharo's semen catalog. He is indeed PAR Five Star 203. Out of curiosity, what you planning on using him for? Plenty good bull. Here's his working clothes shot.
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Re: Looking for more info on Angus, Red Angus, and Simi Bulls?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2009, 09:52:05 PM »
thanks myt..but I know this... but words are words...

looking for first hand experience on the bulls... from SP members

thanks for trying though..

 

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