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« on: October 02, 2021, 02:28:46 PM »
I just bought a Native Dual Purpose bull from Haumont in Nebraska. I'm getting a few females together from  different Native/Heritage breeders.This North Dakota CSB Maid of Promise cow is going to be my foundation female. Thats an early April heifer calf on her.
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Re: More on Native
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2021, 02:45:58 PM »
Anyone who has not visited Haumont really should.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 01:32:17 PM »
Anyone who has not visited Haumont really should.
Whats his breeding? Reg#?

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 02:32:17 PM »
4191727. Check out progeny.
Edit...this is the wrong reg #. The correct # is 4191717.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2021, 10:29:39 AM »
This must be the wrong registration number because 4191727 has Maine up close. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2021, 08:13:55 PM »
This must be the wrong registration number because 4191727 has Maine up close.
Thanks, idalee, I made a typing error. The correct reg# is 4191717. Tattoo 2011. Im going to fix it in the post above.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2021, 10:58:13 AM »
I'm interesting in how the general Shorthorn breeder perceives the value or usefulness of the Native breeding.  I used it 50 years ago and have used some again in the past 6 or 8 years.  Just want to see how others look at it. 

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2021, 07:47:23 PM »
what are the most successful shorthorn breeders that have penetration into the commercial market and what is range of number of bulls sold to commercial market?


any commercial producers out there using shorthorns with retained ownership?
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2021, 08:07:48 PM »
what are the most successful shorthorn breeders that have penetration into the commercial market and what is range of number of bulls sold to commercial market?


any commercial producers out there using shorthorns with retained ownership?
I probably don't count because I produce grass finished beef instead of commodity beef.  I am not using show winning genetics as my goal is a frame score 4 1250 pound cow.  I have some interesting young bulls from the Sparkle cows.  Any way I am using a DMH Minnesota Max son out of an Albaugh cow that is producing grass finished animals at less than two years.

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2021, 09:13:29 PM »
i wouldn't call cattle that gave good premiums commodity cattle.


any commercial producers that use shorthorn that excel on premiums?
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2021, 10:07:17 PM »
i wouldn't call cattle that gave good premiums commodity cattle.


any commercial producers that use shorthorn that excel on premiums?
Well if I used the wrong adjective to differentiate between grass finished beef and and other beef I stand corrected.  If $2 dollars a pound on the hoof counts as a premium then I think the answer is yes.  If you are just talking about cattle that are sold grade and yield then I don't know.  Like I said I probably don't count because I am doing this differently.

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Re: More on Native
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2021, 09:07:21 AM »
I am using Native dual purpose because, like beebe, my purpose is grass finishing. My belief is that Shorthorn genetics, and the genetics of other Native dual purpose breeds, are more flexible in their ability to balance the many energy trade offs involved in milk production and resource availability. Its not just pounds of meat that the grass finisher and direct marketer must produce, its pounds of milk to raise pounds of calves calves without supplementation. Good old dual purpose A2A2 milk from a cow that can maintain her condition during lactation without artificial inputs is the grass finishers best source of development in the calf. Then we have to keep that milk flesh going forward into fine grained tender muscle.
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2021, 09:15:28 AM »
To me Hubs Director is a good example of a Native Dual Purpose Shorthorn type. Could you call him a beef type-No. A dairy type-no. Those with experience, how would he have worked for producing low input high butterfat producing cows?
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2021, 09:28:33 AM »
This bull, for example, looks like a beef type Shorthorn, but would his daughters produce beef like the Hubs daughters. I seriously doubt it, unless he were crossed on dual type cows. This is the wheel most Heritage Breeders are reinventing...a tradition of crossing beef type on dual type. It works. But you cant make it work without the old dual purpose genetics, in my opinion. As usual, Shorthorn is all about the cows.
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2021, 10:18:30 AM »
I think there are a lot of native cattle of "beef" lineage that have much more usefulness than the roan "Scotch type" bull pictured.  I wonder how some of the current more moderate, easier fleshing Shorthorn bulls would compare to the better Shorthorn bulls of the past.  I think it would be very interesting to see a side by side comparison of, say, JSF Palermo with Kenmar President 26A. 

 

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