One day, Just maybe one day some people will realize that there is a major difference between commerical and show cattle. Today it is a sterotype that if your in the show cattle business, You are a cheat and your cattle suck as cows. Lets talk about you commerical guys for a second, I have often thought this and thought I would share even though I know I will piss people off. Number one is the Angus people. Oh how I love you guys. Certified Angus beef (lol) has to be the most successful marketing GIMMICK to the public of all time. 75% black-hided and meet a certain ribeye and boom got a certified angus beef. Which means half this mut show cattle, as long as they would meet the ribeye (doubtful but possible) they are certified angus beef. Along with the other 100 black-hided type cattle. Then comes EPD'S. My favorite thing ever. These commerical producers are aways talking about EPDS. Well thats just great, IF YOU ARE HONEST ABOUT THEM. Number one, I feel EPDS should be listed as EPD/midwest. EPD/Southwest EPD/North. why? Because the midwest have a hell of a lot more grass and crops then the southwest. next how aout EPD/Creep feed. I think its complete B.S that you guys creep feed as much as the clubby guys and then turn around and give the cow and the bull credit for it like the cow did it purely off of her milking and excellent genetics. By far the best Angus cow I ever had, had a milk EPD of 9. 9!!!!!!!! Thats when I decided that EPD'S were estimated for a reason, because hardly anyone is honest with them! I had an angus cow with a milk EPD a few years ago of 26 and the darn cow could feed a mouse. Next comes the 205 and weight. If a commerical guy is running 150 head of cattle and you weigh every calf at 205 days at a different time I commend you. I know plenty of guys around my area that weigh all there cattle at the same time. Do you think that guy in montana who runs 500 head weighs them all exactly at 205? each calf? what about those ones he weighs 2 weeks late that have put on another 40 pounds? Don't that make your EPDS wrong? My point is, I get so sick and tired of getting on this website and other websites and listening to these commerical and seedstock producers bash the clubby guys. You are on the complete opposite side of the industry. You sell your calves for market price. Clubby people own 1/4 of the cows and make 1/4 more than you if they do it right. Most of these shows have 250-500 head per weekend. Some people spend months on the road trying to find a calf for their child just to win its stinking class. Clubby cattle aren't meant to go out on a 10,000 acre ranch not be seen for months and wean off a 600 pound calf. The same way that commerical cattle that are fine-boned, rugged skelton, slick-sheared shouldn't ever see a show ring. WHY? Because thats not what they are bred to do. Do you think some of the people in Florida rip the people in Antartica because they can't grow fruit like they do? Its because they aren't supoosed too. I have never once got on here and ripped a commerical breeder nor animal because that end of the spectrum doesnt apply to me. If you (as a commerical guy) dont think a clubby bull like Texas Tornado will produce or make it, well thats great but I bet he sells as much or more semen than your commerical bull. You aren't in this end of the industry, therefore you don;t understand like the clubby guy does and vise-versa. My friend runs commerical charolais cattle and decided he would show. He even got his butt kicked at the local fair and he has the old school french bloodlines that are real stout. He asked me why he got his butt kicked and I told him something that someone once told me, You either want to have Showcattle or you want commerical. There is no in between. If you are trying that then you are limiting your success in one of the two fields. Instead of bashing this bull, I feel we should commend and give a hand to Bull Owners like Matt Lautner, Phil Lautner, Wade Rodgers, Trausch, Tracy, because they spend all year every year on the road trying to find the next great one for the producer . I don't spend as much time on the road as they do. I thank them because of them My program has grew and been better because they are able to provide us with the best genetics out there for SHOW CATTLE. So I will leave you with this, "Please realize that there is two types of cattleman, the show and the commerical. They are complete opposites. One is a hobby and one provides the world with food. Do not bash the other end of the spectrum. Instead shut up if you don't understand and try to learn."