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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2010, 01:39:47 AM »
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He lives near me. I can't wait to meet him face to face. I hope he is a person and not just someone behind a keyboard. I'll take pictures and post them on FB! Maybe he can enlighten me?

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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2010, 09:39:49 AM »
cotullaguy, I have watched your videos and they do little to convince me of any conspiracy of any kind. They, in fact, leave me with even more questions about how anyone could believe these "theories" as being the truth. You say you are telling us the TRUTH. Why should we believe you anymore than anyone else?

The only thing I can agree with you on is that there are some ruthless people in high places. This is nothing new, and it has been happening in your country, my country as well as many others, since time began. Power affects some people in very bad ways. That said, I struggle to think that these people have enough power to control entire governments, and conduct asinine plots against their own people. I can hardly believe that there is an element in any " free world" government that sits around all day plotting against it's own people.  You also say that the government controls the media. I would say that if this is the truth, as you say it is, then they are doing a rather poor job at it.

You say that you deal in facts. Well, I think you only deal in theories that support what you want to believe. You ask me to ask you some questions about these two tragic disasters. I don't have to ask you questions, as I already know your answers. Quite frankly, they don't make any real sense to me. I think I am about as open minded as anyone, and I have no doubt that we do not have all the answers to what exactly happened in these cases, but I still have no idea how you can believe these half baked videos offer any more proof that the government and military were behind these tragic events against the American people.

You are correct. I am not an American, but i firmly believe that these tragic events were not just attacks on the American people, but also attacks on the free world. I live 30 miles from the USA/Canadian border, and over about 85% of the Canadian population lives within 200 miles of it as well. What happens in the US also affects Canada as well( as well as many other countries). I happen to feel very fortunate that our countries have similar beliefs and freedoms. Why do you think so many other countries joined the US in their war on terror? Do you actually think that all these countries were just bored and needed something to do, and a good fight sounded like some fun? I firmly believe that what Bin Laden said in one of his video responses to Western Society is very close to reality. He said " we will win this war. We are not in any hurry, but we will win it one birth at a time". This is the truth if you want to have truth. Birth rates in Moslem countries today are close to 5 times that of western countries. What does that say about what the future holds for our nations and our nations future generations? I am not against the Moslem faith, as I know some wonderful Moslem people. What I am against is the Moslem extremists who plot to take over the world in the name of Allah. Good Moslem people are as much against this lunatic fringe of their religion as anyone else.

You also say that you are not trying to tear down anything. Well, if that statement is right, then you have a very strange way of trying to build a better society. I am not attacking you simply because I don't like the message you are enlightening us with. The way you come across, it sounds like you firmly believe that you are one of the few who has been enlightened with the truth. I am not just attacking you personally,  but I am attacking half baked theories that are hard to even imagine. Like I said previously, non of us may ever know the entire truth of everything that happened in these events. That does not mean that I do not believe and trust that what we do know is closer to the truth, than these theories you put forward as being " the Truth".

When I read what you have been saying, I have to wonder if you trust anyone in your life. I am sorry if this offends you, but that is just how I see you from what you have been writing. If this is correct, I just don't understand how you can live in such a small world, where it is you against everyone in power and you against everyone around you. I happen to believe that we are some of the most fortunate people in the world, and I happen to believe that we are blessed peoples. I also believe that not everything is right in our countries, in fact there are many wrongs, but the rights outweigh the wrongs 1000 to 1. You strike me as a person whose glass is always half empty rather than half full. Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I see when I read your thoughts.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2010, 11:55:40 AM »
I watched the video, here's my theory, same as it was 10 years ago.

McVeigh was a phsyco dumbass! ! ! He had no idea how well his bomb would work! ! !   He watched his bomb go off, **** himself, then got caught speeding on I-70. End of story.

Now, Cotullaguy, turn off the sound on your computer and watch the video again,            nothing!

Conspiracy's are out there, but they are much more subtle and effective than OKC and 9-11, and I'm afraid never in the news.

With eyesight like mine,  focusing is a lot better from a distance.

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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2010, 12:36:49 PM »
I watched the video, here's my theory, same as it was 10 years ago.

McVeigh was a phsyco dumbass! ! ! He had no idea how well his bomb would work! ! !   He watched his bomb go off, **** himself, then got caught speeding on I-70. End of story.

Now, Cotullaguy, turn off the sound on your computer and watch the video again,            nothing!

Conspiracy's are out there, but they are much more subtle and effective than OKC and 9-11, and I'm afraid never in the news.

With eyesight like mine,  focusing is a lot better from a distance.

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Elbee,

how did McVeigh get the other bombs wired inside the Murrah building?  that is the point of the video.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2010, 12:38:37 PM »
Justintime,

once again you go to the same card:

"When I read what you have been saying, I have to wonder if you trust anyone in your life. I am sorry if this offends you,"


Just because you do not understand the information, does not translate into Cotullaguy cannot trust anyone in his life.  It translates into you are a bit slow... (lol)
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2010, 12:41:38 PM »
TO ANYONE READING THESE POSTS FOR THE FIRST TIME:

You will notice that none of these people are challenging any facts with me.  Just personal attacks.

Here is the reason:

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependant on the system, that they will fight to protect it. Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?" - Morpheus (The Matrix)
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2010, 12:53:56 PM »
TO ANYONE READING THESE POSTS FOR THE FIRST TIME:

You will notice that none of these people are challenging any facts with me.  Just personal attacks.

Here is the reason:

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependant on the system, that they will fight to protect it. Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?" - Morpheus (The Matrix)
i would have to challange the fact that 2 inmates... in a federal prision/ on death row/ 1 hour a day for exercise...would have to time to casually sit down and pull together a book deal.... full of explicit/ factual and crediable information ...over a year and a half time period...
edge of your seat drama...for sure...credible enogh to prove treason angainst the military......not quite...jbarl

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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2010, 12:55:34 PM »
JBarL,

I actually have his first book here called "Secrets worth dying for" in hardback.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2010, 01:05:29 PM »
Justintime,

once again you go to the same card:

"When I read what you have been saying, I have to wonder if you trust anyone in your life. I am sorry if this offends you,"


Just because you do not understand the information, does not translate into Cotullaguy cannot trust anyone in his life.  It translates into you are a bit slow... (lol)



It appears I hit a nerve........
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2010, 01:10:30 PM »
Justintime,

trust me, I have much thicker skin than that.  You refuse to deal with the info and rather attack the Messenger than the Message. 


Bring some intelligence to the conversation.  Show me you can think.  Explain how the bombs got inside the building by McVeigh when the ATF was housed there.  Or explain how the local news were lying. 
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2010, 02:18:38 PM »
JBarL,

I actually have his first book here called "Secrets worth dying for" in hardback.
i believe a guy has time to write a book in prison...no argument there....and definetly a pultzer subject ( if someone could pull it off)....i just find the time necessary to carry out a continuation of a conspiricy theory by one of the nations most notoriours acts of violence to boil down the hear say of an inmate even in the same prision when both are on a death row isolated schedule......not in a year and a half......not all  the facts.......   maybe try and get michael moore's validation  :o....he seems to be 3 for 3 in result on his documentary subjects... ;).jbarl
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Video
« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2010, 03:09:54 PM »
JBarL,

I actually have his first book here called "Secrets worth dying for" in hardback.
i believe a guy has time to write a book in prison...no argument there....and definetly a pultzer subject ( if someone could pull it off)....i just find the time necessary to carry out a continuation of a conspiricy theory by one of the nations most notoriours acts of violence to boil down the hear say of an inmate even in the same prision when both are on a death row isolated schedule......not in a year and a half......not all  the facts.......   maybe try and get michael moore's validation  :o....he seems to be 3 for 3 in result on his documentary subjects... ;).jbarl

Actually the evidence is there.  You just have to take their info and investigate it.  It matches the same as the scientists have said that McVeighs "truck bomb" could not have done the damage seen at the scene.  Benton Parton, Ret Air Force, says McVeigh bomb could not have done it.  Ted Gunderson, Ret. FBI LA chief, says it was a govt job.  Not just this convict.  Then the news that day says there were multiple bombs inside the building.  I do not know how much more evidence one needs to see that only one group could have pulled this off and it was not McVeigh as a lone wolf. 

Also investigate "Ruby Ridge" if you are interested in knowing more.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Photo of Ryder Truck at Military Base
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2010, 04:24:17 PM »
After watching the video, that tape is about a bad as it gets. It is like when the Space Shuttle blew up over E. Texas and the local news interviewing people. If this what you are believing you have lost it.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Photo of Ryder Truck at Military Base
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2010, 04:48:20 PM »
Cotullaguy, I've watched and re-watched the original posted video (with the sound off). Someone will have to point out to me the extra bombs. If your talking about the drawing, I could have done that in 9th grade drafting class.

With all due respect I would love to be convinced, without hearsay. And I do believe McVeigh's bomb could have done that much damage. Just like I believe a thousand gallons of airplane fuel could meltdown the Trade towers.

Respectfully, I do believe in conspiracies, just not this one.
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Re: Oklahoma City Bombing-New Photo of Ryder Truck at Military Base
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2010, 06:48:35 PM »
Cotullaguy, I've watched and re-watched the original posted video (with the sound off). Someone will have to point out to me the extra bombs. If your talking about the drawing, I could have done that in 9th grade drafting class.

With all due respect I would love to be convinced, without hearsay. And I do believe McVeigh's bomb could have done that much damage. Just like I believe a thousand gallons of airplane fuel could meltdown the Trade towers.

Respectfully, I do believe in conspiracies, just not this one.
ELBEE

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