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Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« on: January 06, 2015, 12:32:34 PM »
Hey guys, my sister and I own a Firewater x chantel heifer and were trying decide what to breed her to. She's 75% Charolais, a real powerful made girl, good structure and if anything, a little heavy fronted for my picky attitude. Looking for maternal based sires, preferably something that is marketable, as we are just starting to sell show cattle.

Thanks in advance, just trying to get our breeding program organized before calving, planting, and the rest of spring rush.

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2015, 12:51:21 PM »
I da man is doing some good stuff on the colored cows I have one that's heavier fronted that I'm going to the going back that way
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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2015, 02:26:02 PM »
I've seen some really good Maternal Perfection calves.

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2015, 02:28:10 PM »
Also MAB, I AI'd a high percentage Charolais heifer to him and got a really stout bull calf.

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 02:44:56 PM »
I assume you'd consider him heifer safe them? Haven't heard him bred to many heifers

He in no stretch of anyone's imagination will do anything to remotely help clean up a front end as mentioned, he will slop the wrong cow up pretty bad

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« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 02:46:24 PM by Show stopper 95 »
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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 09:02:00 AM »
You would be a lot better off choosing a good LBW Angus or Red Angus bull for her first calf , you're asking for trouble breeding her to a club calf bull .. she already has some birthweight in her with Firewater .

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 03:22:34 PM »
Did you record this heifer with the AICA?  If not I recommend you do so if possible. As stated before Wrangler is doing great on Firewater daughters also claving ease bulls like Ledger and Big Ben would work as well.
I do not think a dark red calving ease charolais bull called SRK Canyon is a available in the US.  He would be a good choice if you want to raise a buckskin or red factor calf.
Other than that just remember use a proven easy calver for her first calf.  No point in to get a show winner if the calf is dead.

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 03:55:51 PM »
Thanks for the replies.
Mark, I do have her registered. I was thinking about using a purebred char bull but I am new to that area, as I have Maine and clubby background.
I realize using clubbies would be fighting fire with fire, which is why I'm seeking some help on here. Her dam is a heat wave x oahe wind, if that helps anyone out.
Again, thanks for the help everyone

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 05:30:54 PM »
There are a bunch of good ones in the i-80 -Ali clan: I-80 hisssself being numero uno-There have also been some real good calves in OKIE Texas Iowa etc out of Shorthorns like the Proud Jazz Clan (bunch of them-but Starburst aint one for hiefers) White Jazz also-along with a Char looking caf-and Capiche-YEA HIM-he youd be surprised-We are talking about a live low BWcalf-that would be quite a few cuts ahead of an Angus-as far as a show animal-NOT a bull like MAB-which could definitly be a trainwreck on one bred like her. O0

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 07:13:19 PM »
Moto Moto has worked very well on heifers.  Complete outcross and a maternal specialist.
Galloways- The breed to produce the hardier crossbred cow.

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 07:28:31 PM »
Her dam is a heat wave x oahe wind,

Look at RAPID REWARDS and what he has done on Heatwave heifers.  Wrangler and Ledger excellent purebred options.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 10:10:28 AM by crystalcreek »

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 08:17:36 PM »
Moto Moto has worked very well on heifers.  Complete outcross and a maternal specialist.
/// I didnt realize hed be a hiefer deal on one like that-I want to use him myself if nothing more than I love his temperment- Bouncy ones like him usually are very people friendly O0

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 08:27:24 PM »
I have not heard and BAD calving reports.  Smaller heads than his sire Pericles. Temperaments are curious friendly calves.  We had an average BW of 72 lbs on heifers, 74 lbs on cows.  Was told on some HIGH BW Herford cows he threw some calves in the 80s. Never touched one.  He will be in Denver come and see him.
 
Galloways- The breed to produce the hardier crossbred cow.

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2015, 12:34:54 AM »
Does this heifer have any color (buckskin, smoke?).  Do yo want a buckskin calf?
Your heiger is well enough bred that a 7/8 calf will be marketable just about to anyone.
Here is the data on SRK Canyon 2K: http://www.semex.com/di/beef/i2?lang=en&beef=view&view2=MC339579
Wrells has a light tam bull with a 65 LB birth weight that is an excellent propect for a calving ease bull: Wells Just In: http://www.wellscharolaisranch.com/herd-sires.html

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Re: Opinions, suggestions for breeding 3/4 char heifer
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2015, 09:40:12 PM »
Mark H, she is white with a touch of smoke. I am aiming towards a white or smoke, not entirely looking for any loud colors.

I am liking the ideas of Wrangler and the 7/8 calf he would produce.
I had thought of using I80, but was concerned when I heard hard drive can come out in him and throw some big ones. I have used him on heifers before without problem, but this heifer was our largest investment to date so I am hesitant.
Moto moto intrigues me quite a lot, thinking for my other young clubbier cows however. Harley, I'll swing by in denver to talk for sure.
I'm not fond of Mab, had bought steers I thought were going to be state fair contenders fizzle out at 12 months of age. Don't get me wrong, great looking calves, however, longevity isn't there.

Again thanks for your time and the replies.

 

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